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Post by Wayne Hall on Jul 7, 2023 6:56:22 GMT -5
The Climate Clock idea is lifted from the 1947 Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists' Countdown Clock, whose purpose was to scare the pants off the population that they were going to die in a nuclear war.
Has there been ONE critique of the Climate Clock (apart from that of Richard Vobes) that has focused on the constitutionality of the King involving himself in partisan politics? What critics do is that they steer dissent into the divide-and-rule climate "debate". Most opponents of the nonsense are right-wing ideologists who are typically more interested in sounding off about Leftists than they are about any ecological issue.
One of our friends makes the point that Charles has always been involved in politics, so if he continues to do the same thing when he is King, what's the big deal? He may have said he was not going to do what he is doing now, but so what? (He is a liar. End of the story.)
I don't think this is the approach that is needed.
It seems to me that there is a danger of activists missing the boat again just as we/they did in 1991 at the disintegration of the Soviet Union. The 1980s had been the time of the "non-aligned anti-nuclear weapons movements". Throughout the eighties the Tories' favourite theme song, faced with the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament (CND) (and - for a time, Labour Party) slogan of "unilateral nuclear disarmament" had been to say "great idea: propose it to the Soviets!" [snicker snicker]. In 1991, if anti-nuclear activists had been on the ball they would have taken the Tories' advice, called upon ex-Soviets to implement unilateral nuclear disarmament, enjoined Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians and Kazakhs to insist on it and also called upon British Tories to support the demand. Ho ho ho. What would they have done and said? The clever leftists of 1991 didn't try to find out. What was the point of the three aforementioned Soviet republics other than Russia being denuclearized and Russia itself not being denuclearized? Yeltsin cared even less about nuclear weapons than Gorbachev did. (Stalin, too, had apparently not been very impressed by nuclear weapons, unlike his successor Khrushchev, whose 100 megaton hydrogen bombs clearly went to his head). Putin nowadays, though sometimes flexing his nuclear biceps in response to Western provocation, is really much more motivated to make precision use of hypersonic missiles against military targets than he is to wow it to the Western plebs that he can destroy their cities and them too. In any case, unilateral Soviet nuclear disarmament is The Path that Was Not Taken, to quote Robert Frost. Today there is an opportunity to turn on its head not the Tory dogma of nuclear deterrence but the Tory dogma of the monarch staying out of politics. The new king, still perceived as young Charlie the idealist by too many Brits, is clearly not staying out of politics and moreover not keeping his own promise to do so.
But given that what is at stake is not the possibility of being sympathetic to leftists (in the mid-twentieth century sense of the term) but rather the possibility of being sympathetic to leftists in the twenty-first century sense of the term, where leftists or "leftists" have become not the junior but the SENIOR partner in the divide-and-rule game, things have changed. Some basic principles of constitutional monarchy (and indeed of non-executive presidencies) are going to need a big push from coherently thinking people to make it into the public consciousness.
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Post by Wayne Hall on Jul 12, 2023 10:25:40 GMT -5
Rachel Mathews: talking to councils
Extracts
2.23
I've certainly seen some things pushed through planning, because of the climate emergency, that would never have got through otherwise, and they've been given absolutely no choice, for example, to pass a solar farm that really a lot of the councillors were not keen to pass, but the council officers gave them absolutely no choice in doing it. I don't even know why they bothered to have the planning meeting frankly. They were that controlled.
3.53
A lot of people say to Carinna and me: "Why don't you run? You should be councillors." Are you kidding me? I know independent councillors in other councils, and as an independent you are ostracized and unless you have a political party behind you it is very difficult. Some even refuse them a right of reply when they are debating things, so it's difficult, but if you have a percentage of that council that see things from your perspective, or certainly understand your concerns, and will go in to bat for you, you've got a lot more power than one person getting in as an independent.
6.49
As soon as you are confrontational that's it. People will stop listening. All they are thinking about is their retort.
8.24
You might also notice that when I'm delivering my speech they're trying to ignore me, they're not looking at me. They don't want to know. But when one of the other councillors speaks up and says: we need to do something differently, they are sitting there nodding, because their councillor has said it, and it's not members of the general public. They are nearly nodding their heads off. And they are in different political parties yet they agree when another councillor says it.
13.51
I certainly don't want my face splattered all over Twitter on various videos and things. But you know, this is too important not to do it. And, you know, my discomfort is such a minor part compared to what else is going on in the world and what happens if we don't speak out. So it's irrelevant to this. We've just all got to get on and do it and not leave it to other people. That's how we are in this mess in the first place, by leaving things for other people to do.
15.01
Courage is contagious and those councillors, from the very first meeting we attended, just to have someone saying what they're probably thinking inside their heads but daren't say out loud because of the atmosphere. You know, they are living in WOKE Central in these councils, a lot of them. So you can't say the wrong things. And the freedom when we spoke out, and we've had this in several meetings. They suddenly speak out. And that does make a difference. Just finding that courage to go and do it in the first place.
Μιλάμε στα δημοτικά συμβούλια - Αποσπάσματα
2.23
Σίγουρα έχω δει κάποια πράγματα να προωθούνται μέσω του σχεδιασμού, λόγω της κατάστασης εκτακτης ανάγκης για το κλίμα, τα οποία δεν θα είχαν περάσει ποτέ αλλιώς, και δεν δόθηκε στους δημοτικούς συμβούλους καμία απολύτως επιλογή, να δεχθούν ή να απορρήψουν, για παράδειγμα, ένα ηλιακό πάρκο που πραγματικά πολλοί από τους συμβούλους δεν ήθελαν να δεχθούν, αλλά οι υπάλληλοι του συμβουλίου δεν τους έδωσαν καμία απολύτως επιλογή. Ειλικρινά, δεν ξέρω καν γιατί μπήκαν στον κόπο να κάνουν τη συνάντηση σχεδιασμού. Ήταν τόσο ελεγχόμενοι.
3.53
Πολύς κόσμος λέει στην Carinna και σε μένα: "Γιατί δεν κατεβάζετε στις εκλογές; Θα έπρεπε να γίνετε δημοτικοί σύμβουλοι". Πλάκα μου κάνετε; Γνωρίζω ανεξάρτητους συμβούλους σε άλλα συμβούλια και ως ανεξάρτητος εξοστρακίζεσαι και αν δεν έχεις ένα πολιτικό κόμμα πίσω σου είναι πολύ δύσκολο. Κάποιοι τους αρνούνται ακόμη και το δικαίωμα απάντησης σε συζητήσεις. Όμως, αν έχεις μερικούς ανθρώπους στο συμβούλιο που βλέπουν τα πράγματα από τη δική σου οπτική γωνία, ή τουλάχιστον καταλαβαίνουν τις ανησυχίες σου, και είναι έτοιμοι να σε υποστηρίξουν, έχεις πολύ μεγαλύτερη δύναμη από το να μπει ένα άτομο ως ανεξάρτητος.
6.49
Από τη στιγμή που είστε συγκρουσιακός, τελείωσε. Ο κόσμος θα σταματήσει να σε ακούει. Το μόνο που σκέφτονται είναι αυτό που θέλουν να πούν οι ίδιοι ως ανεπιχείρημα.
8.24
Μπορεί επίσης να έχετε παρατηρήσει ότι όταν εκφωνώ την ομιλία μου προσπαθούν να με αγνοήσουν, δεν με κοιτάζουν. Δεν θέλουν να ξέρουν. Αλλά όταν κάποιος άλλος από τους συμβούλους μιλάει και προτείνει να κάνουν κάτι διαφορετικό, κάθονται και γνέφουν, επειδή το λέει ο δικός τους σύμβουλος, όχι μέλη του κοινού. Ακόμα κι αν οι σύμβουλοι ανήκουν σε διαφορετικά πολιτικά κόμματα, συμφωνούν όταν το λέει ένας από "μέσα" και όχι από "έξω".
13.51
Σίγουρα δεν θέλω η φάτσα μου να προβάλλεται από όλο το Twitter σε διάφορα βίντεο κτλ. Αλλά ξέρετε, είναι υπερβολικά σημαντικό. Δεν είναι δυνατό να μην το κάνω. Η δυσφορία μου είναι ένα πολύ ασήμαντη σε σύγκριση με αυτό που συμβαίνει σήμερα στον κόσμο και σίγουρα θα συνεχίζει αν δεν μιλήσουμε. Να προχωρήσουμε λοιπόν και να το μην τα αφήσουμε όλα σε άλλους. Έτσι βρεθήκαμε σε αυτό το χάλι, αφήνοντας όλα να τα κάνουν άλλοι.
15.01
Το θάρρος είναι μεταδοτικό. Οι δημοτικοί σύμβουλοι, από την πρώτη κιόλας συνεδρίαση που παρακολουθήσαμε, απέκτησαν θάρρος, μόνο και μόνο έχοντας κάποιον να λέει αυτά που πιθανόν σκέφτονται μέσα στο κεφάλι τους αλλά δεν τολμούν να τα πουν δυνατά. Λόγω της ατμόσφαιρας. Ζουν στο WOKE Central πολλοί από εκείνους σε αυτά τα δημοτικά συμβούλια. Ξαφνικά μιλάνε. Και αυτό κάνει τη διαφορά. Απλά να βρουν το θάρρος να ξεκινήσουν.
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