Post by Wayne Hall on Oct 4, 2021 10:05:58 GMT -5
Harari and Assange
www.ertnews.gr/eidiseis/mono-sto-ertgr/gioyval-noa-charari-stin-ert-i-ypersygkentrosi-ton-data-odigei-sti-diktatoria-video/
The above news item is in Greek but the videoed interview with Harari is in English
Divine Comedy: In relation to the item above and seeing the 273 likes that Harari has scored - only two of us had the opposite view - I note it as important because it shows what I have been saying for a long time, that the majority of people do not understand what they read. So I will again post an extract from his book Homo Deus. "Evolutionary humanism has a different solution for the problem of conflicting human experiences. Rooted in the stable terrain of the Darwinian theory of evolution, it insists that conflict is something to be endorsed, not deplored or regretted. Conflict is the raw material of natural selection, which drives evolution forward. Some people are simply superior to others and when human experiences clash, the better adapted must prevail over the others. The same logic that induces people to exterminate wild wolves and mercilessly exploit tamed sheep also motivates the oppression of inferior peoples by their superiors. If we follow this developmental logic, humanity will become progressively stronger and better adapted, leading finally to the emergence of superhumans. ..... But if in the name of human rights and equality we emasculate the strongest people, this will impede the emergence of the superhuman and may even cause degeneration and the disappearance of homo sapiens." .
Thus spake Noah Harari in his book Homo Deus. (my translation from Greek: W.H.)
Ν.Β.: I didn't know that. A very bad position. But the article I posted was in a different spirit. I don't know how those two viewpoints can be combined.
W.H.: I think we should encourage the participation of Ilana Rachel in this dispute. It is of vital importance. It would be good to work out how the situation in Israel differs from that in all states based on oppression of weaker and perhaps "underdeveloped" peoples (Australia, New Zealand, U.S.A.) What Harari says about the need for the informatics revolution to be a two-way process is not necessarily incompatible with his own Darwinian "survival of the fittest" approach.
How different are Harari's concerns from those of Assange?
Sophia Elpida: He was a key speaker at Davos with forked-tongued contradictory messages whose interpretation is up to every listener. In any case, "the devil wears prada". Always. A new-generation Chomsky with a different style.
W.H.: How different is Harari from Assange? One important difference is that Assange got embroiled with parliamentary politics from early on. Standing Wikileaks Party candidates for the Australian Senate, and failing. But Assange's "mentor" Varoufakis in many ways (not all) is more like Harari.
Sophia Elpida: Both Varoufakis and Mera25/Diem25 serve the Davos agenda. Globalist servants of the NWO.
W.H.: True. If there are elections in Greece are they going to disappear or be strengthened?
Divine Comedy: Harari moves surreptitiously. His postgraduate degree was done on a scholarship from the Rockefeller Foundation. He masterfully conveys what he wants through his books.
Sophia Elpida: A decision on that depends mainly on what people see as truth. This is why so many half-truths are told, i.e. full lies, or meanings are reversed so that if each person does not have the right sources and comprehensive knowledge they cannot judge and decide.
Divine Comedy: Ν.Β. posted a very important article by an Italian professor published in Greek in Dromos tis Aristeras thephilosophicalsalon.com/a-self-fulfilling-prophecy-systemic-collapse-and-pandemic-simulation/#_ftnref1
It says it all.
W.H.: I haven't read Harari's books. I will have to start from now. The point is: does he want something different from what Assange wants? Assange made a lot of (personal and political) mistakes. That's why he is in prison.
Divine Comedy: I can't make the comparison. I have read Harari's books attentively. I haven't paid attention to Assange. But I believe that Harari is controlled and not an activist.
W.H.: He is certainly active. And who is using whom?
Ν.Β.: I have focused mainly on what he says in the specific text we started with. I agree that probably he is playing a suspicious role. But some of his statements can be interpreted in a variety of ways, and don't forget that we more or less, many of us or few of us, use the term "sheep" to denote people with an opposite viewpoint from ourselves. It can seem strange, and may develop strangely but when you are looking the monster in the eyes for long enough, you can in the end become like him.
W.H.: I suspect that Assange wanted to be a Harari. He started on the wrong foot, with electoral politics. Mass politics. In Aegina Varoufakis told us the following about Assange: