Geert Vanden Bossche controversy

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Gabriel Stetter introduced "chemtrails" to the German-speaking world: www.holmestead.ca/chemtrails/r+z-gp.html

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Introduction to Josefina Fraile:

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Dylan Jones: "I recommend people look into this.

There is a paywall but enough to show that some mainstream scientists have suggested the role of the initial does of the vaccine in the spike of second wave deaths.

Scientists condemn report questioning role of vaccine in second wave deaths
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/scientists-condemn-report-questioning-role-of-vaccine-in-second-wave-deaths-75rltw3qg"

This is all you need:

"Academics from large British universities have put their names to an “extremely irresponsible” document that claims the spike in second wave deaths may have been caused by vaccines.

The document, which seeks to persuade MPs to vote against coronavirus legislation, was also endorsed by Sir Graham Brady, chairman of the 1922 Committee of backbench Tory MPs, who said it was a “helpful review of the evidence” and “grim but important reading”.

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Dylan Jones wrote:
> I would like to say Wayne that I do not have diametrically opposing views to Gabriel regarding Bossche. We both seem to agree that
> Dr. Vernon Coleman, Wolfgang Wodarg and Professor Sucharit Bhakdi are on the mark. I've been following them all from the very start and I referred people to them in our email exchange early last year.
> Bossche is simply corroborating those findings. As far as he does that all well and good. But he doesn't only do that, he adds that:
>
> Immune escape from the vaccine will engender super-mutant variant viruses, of which there is no basis in science or current evidence.
> This will be used to justify a new breed of vaccines, forcing the Orwellian narrative of lockdown and surveillance to remain in place.
>
> I think perhaps, these are the only points that Gabriel and myself differ on and perhaps his take on Rosemary Frei's "copy and paste" article, which incidentally, assumed pride of place on OffGuardian, Gabriel's "go-to place on the covid-19 subject".
>
> It is my view that it is the vaccine itself that is causing the current spike in "cases" and "covid" deaths. Even in mainstream land, a group of academics have been recently admonished by Sage for suggesting the spike is vaccine-related.
> I cover the topic on this post here:
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> bakerstreetrising.home.blog/2021/02/15/covax-through-the-looking-glass-part-4/
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> COVAX through the Looking Glass part 4 – Baker Street Rising
> And if you go chasing rabbits, and you know you're going to fall Immune Primer In an experiment in 2017, New Zealand white rabbits were inoculated with a zoonotic coronavirus - MERS-Cov. The rabbits became sick and developed antibodies, the measure of success for a vaccine. With most viral illnesses, once you recover, you won’t…
> bakerstreetrising.home.blog
>
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> Frei is not attacking Coleman or Bigtree, just chastising them for rushing headlong into the arms of Bosche, something that I found surprising myself.
>
> Dylan

Dylan, I do get the impression that Del Bigtree was a little chastened the week after coming out so positively in favour of Bossche. But I think it is good for us to show the world that "conspiracy theorists" have radical differences of opinion with each other in the context of a much more intelligent debate than what "the masses" are fed with. And that we are not consumed just with monolithic reaction against "the mainstream", which is assumed to be in the centre of our attention as much as it is in theirs. This is part of the value of your difference of opinion with Gabriel Stetter. I was not happy when our fellow activist who runs our "Be the Change" blog in Aegina www.aeginagreece.com/aegina-island/bethechange was unwilling to publish our transcript of Vernon Coleman. because "she does not trust Bossche". This is identical to the immediate mainstream rejection of Bossche, in an identical tone to their immediate rejection of everything they are not saying themselves.


W.H.

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Preda Mihailescu:


"Immune escape from the vaccine will engender super-mutant variant viruses, of which there is no basis in science or current evidence.
This will be used to justify a new breed of vaccines, forcing the Orwellian narrative of lockdown and surveillance to remain in place.


I would not swallow this just like stated! The very notion of "immune escape" is born in science, not soap opera! And the process he describes
is taken from scientifical papers along the last decades. No what is "scientifical evidence" in such case? Scientific evidence needs and cannot
always be empirical evidence. If long time discussed processes in scientific papers, are supposed to be irrelevant, there is not much to do:
you do not want to induce a catastrophy just to gather the evidence.

Exaples? There are: 20 years ago all the GMO agenda propaganda were swearing that if you do not want GMO, take a distance of 10 m to
the GMO field, and use non-GMO seeds, you are safe. Lack of evidence was considerence evidence of lack of spreading. Meanwhile,
we know in Mexico GMO seeds spread 100 miles and more. We would have liked NOT to have that evidence. Other example: some
economist seriously discuss the economical use of studies. They claim, there is no proof that universities are economically useful. Now
you can debate on that -- but it is cleat that an empirical proof might be destructive, you should take a large country and close all of its
higher education, look for it that they cannot import any trainees from abroad... can you imagine?

So discarding Geerd's argument because "there is no basis in science"... neglects science. I cannot accept.

The second argument is manipulation. And that is a valid argument which has NOTHING to do with the first. Today EVERYTHING gets
manipulated. You say that vaccines will not create that immunity they promess -- you speak the 99.999% sure truth! Will they play with
locdowns because of that? Sure. But then, what to do? I give you an other example: in Italy they discovered the embolies in the first
coro deads, so eventually WHO decided to do prescribe anticoagulants in their protocols. Yes, but they also gave some exagerated
suggestions about the quantities. In Romania they have two kinds of doctors. Some are God sent, combined therapies that make
sense and saved thousands of life. And you have a larger number of shitless scared idiots. So we have processes now, sequences
of deaths by overdose of anticoagulant, to the point that blood vessels exploaded and blood floded the body. A pathetic picture taken
by selfie by a woman short before she died, and sent to her husband, illustrates it. Was the error talking about the embolies? So for the
second point, while abuses can certainly not be excluded, this is not an argument for silencing the truth!"

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Dylan Jones:

"I wasn't challenging the notion of immune escape.

I was challenging the notion that it would lead to super-mutant viruses that would wipe out most of humanity. There is no evidence or logic to that claim. Flu vaccination has been going on for decades. It's probable that strains have evolved around it, but populations haven't been decimated. In my opinion the coronavirus is little different to a flu virus.

In most virologists' view, viruses evolve to maintain or increase transmission but become less virulent as dead hosts do not pass on viruses.

Here is some real science on the topic.

www.pandata.org/how-broad-is-covid-immunity/

I tell you what Mihailescu, if humanity gets wiped out, I'll admit to being wrong but until then I'm calling this one out for the fearmongering it evidently is."

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Preda Mihailescu:
"The logic was exposed. You do omit the core of the argumentation when saying "Flu vaccination has been going on for decades."
The point is that it is being done DURING the epidemy! Please be careful to what is being said. Viruses do not live long without

a carrier. So if it learns to circumvent your vaccine induced antigenes, but dies, tough luck. But if you vaccinate in the epidemy,

chances of survival of mutates viruses are dramatically higher, and THEREFORE the danger of immune escape. That it is.


And talking about humanity wiped up, of course, brings it all to the level of a nervous laugh. But he just warns it may be a severe

danger, he is not Fergusson to menace... You are pretty much of a joker Dylan. Talking about "real science" in connection

with a phenomenon which has virtually zero chance to having already been observed. You know that, don't you?


Let us sleep. And dreem a loooong needly in a Gates's ass ending in Fauci's arm. Let them rock!


Good night!

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Dylan Jones:

"I don't think even you know what you are talking about man. Here are some of the comments made by Bossche:

"As the unprecedented extent of human intervention in the Covid-19- pandemic is now at risk of resulting in a global catastrophe without equal,"

"I am appealing to the WHO and all stakeholders involved, no matter their conviction, to immediately declare such action as THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY OF INTERNATIONAL CONCERN."

He makes Ferguson's outpourings tame by comparison.

By "epidemy" I assume you mean pandemic?

Show me the pandemic.

There isn't one and hasn't been one.

We are in a pseudo-epidemic based on PCR-driven fraud.

Everywhere institutions have been using PCR thresholds of 45 amplification cycles and above. Anything above 30 is meaningless. It's fearmongering fraud.

Now the vaccines themselves. They present the real danger."

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The discussion here is sailing off into acrimony, as is usual with online discussions.

Let me explain why I don't like this:

I want at the moment to draw Catherine Austin Fitts' attention to a hotel owner in Aegina who has been petitioning the Greek government and, I think, the Aegina Council, to get everyone vaccinated so that tourists can come here "safely" and his hotel open for business "normally".

Most of our friends have just reacted against him aggressively, not taking into account his grievances in the context of the uninformed nature of "public opinion".

I have not been able to go to talk to him quickly because I have preferred to go with a Greek collaborator as insurance against prejudice against "interfering foreigners", and my Greek collaborator is busy at this time.

If our discussion becomes too acrimonious I am apprehensive that Catherine (and not only Catherine) will "turn off".

Fortunately other people are getting involved: our collaborator Georgina went to talk to the hotel owner and found that he was interested in cool and logical discussion. That was a good move on her part, but I am not sure about where she wants to take it from here.

As for Preda, I think the first thing I would like to say about him is that we met (online) in the context of Varoufakis' DiEM25. I am staying with DiEM25 (one foot on the platform, the other on the train) because of Nikos Vakolidis' brilliant persistence in managing to stay onside both with Varoufakis and with good people also. (Varoufakis is smart in a way, but not good. And he is closely associated with Aegina.) Preda is a dissident voice in DiEM25 and like me has been expelled from DiEM online forums. I might also mention that he is a distinguished mathematician: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preda_Mih%C4%83ilescu

Mads Palsvig is putting opposition to the EU vaccination certificate at the centre of his campaigning at this moment. It is a vitally necessary campaign but what are its short-term prospects of success?

Given what is happening in Israel at this time I want to put Gilad Atzmon at the centre of attention gilad.online/

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A female song for Varoufakis (perhaps):

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Varoufakis - catching up

He has done a couple of revealing things lately.

Number one. The interview with Manolis Kottakis mera25.gr/skliro-markarisma-ep-2-gianis-varoufakis-manolis-kottakis/

Varoufakis' normal habit is to demonize the far right, with a very broad brush. He has made an exception for some British Tories but this is the first example I am familiar with of the exception phenomenon with a Greek. Manolis Kottakis is editor of the Greek far right newspaper Estia, a person with links to Aegina and now put in charge of the 200th anniversary celebrations in Aegina of the Greek revolution of 1821.

main.cse-initiative.eu/?p=849

Being interviewed by Kottakis suggests a strategy for rebuilding links with Aegina, after making a bad start with the DiEM25 group here.

Number Two. An approach to Hungary. ATTAC is a European Citizens' movement founded in France in the 1990s, with politics very similar to those of Varoufakis' DiEM. Here is a message from a key ATTAC cadre in Hungary, Matyas Benyik.

Dear Friends,

Sending you in attachment the Yearbook 2021 International Labour Movement, in the International Supplement you can read Yanis Varoufakis˘ contribution via Zoom at the Leftist Island Festival held in Horany /Hungary last September pp. 361-363.

Hoping you will find it interesting.

Best regards,

Matyas Benyik


European New Deal

Yanis Varoufakis (59) at the Leftish Island Festival
2020 in Hungary (Insel Horány)

(Economist, former Greek minister of finance, president of DIEM 25
party)

Hello comrades from Greece, it is great to be here, even through the looking glass
of the computer. Solidarity and power to all of you!
Our analysis of capitalism and crisis, has not became weaker, during the last
one hundred years. We should have learned the lesson of 1929. When financial
capital collapsed like it happened in 2008, - this does not necessarily mean the rise
of the left and the rise of socialism. Instead, capitalism collapses with a depression
and privatization with fears and pain. This is why our movement, the Democracy
in Europe Movement, the DIEM25, was founded. This was most important for the
left across Europe, because we have one manifesto, and one agenda. Last year we
had tried to make progress, so we tried to invite the European Left, and other
progressives, to join the one manifesto one agenda program, which we had
presented, upon the Green New Deal. We did not succeed.

This year, capitalism is in a deeper crisis, because the big bubble, that was
created by central banks was in the centre of the crisis. Today, a Green New Deal
for Europe is important. It is essential. It is necessary, but it is not enough. Today
the progressive left must combine. Now we need the Green New Deal for Europe,
that would be the United Left, with the plan of Socialism. The Green New
Deal will include ways of utilizing existing tools in order to stabilize society, from
green investments - using public knowledge - to financial investments. But this
should be only the first step. Capitalism cannot be saved, if capitalism will not
be civilized, within a new deal. Capitalism can be stabilized, communities can
be empowered, green technologies can be deployed, as a foundation, on which
we could build a new society.

Now we play for markets, but without share markets. The very existence of labor
markets, the exploitation is in the essence of the crisis. How can we not have labor
markets? In every company, there will be one person, one share, one vote system.
Suddenly, there will be no distinction between profit and wages, there is no share
market, and there is no must on financing, and there is no must on debt, - created by bankers,- to buy shares, and bet - offers on share prices. We must also organize the central banks to make banks accounts for the citizens, so as to away from commercial banks. It is a combination of share markets, labor markets, and commercial banking, which is destroying society and it’s leading to the extinction of our species.

Leo Gabriel (Austria)

Comrades! This is the moment to be radical, and this is the time to have one
manifesto, one agenda, if not, that will be our responsibility. Let’s start!



Question of Leo Gabriel (Austria) – You say that democratization is the key
to go into power, but what type of democracy are you thinking about, - since
Varoufakis had said that the intention of the political parties had failed to unite.
Do you see that an assembly structure on a regional level could concentrate more
power on the side of the left?

JV: I will answer by examples. How could we democratize economic life?
How can we democratize a company, a firm? The moment you turn shares into
non tradable rights to vote, like a library card, which gives you the right to do
something, which you cannot sell, - So going back to the idea of one person, one
share, one vote. Let’s suppose, that this company has one thousand employees,
everybody has a chance, it is even easier now, with the use of the Internet to vote
on any matter, on even bonus, for example on who will have one percent of the
bonus. Very simply, using democratic voting, for example by giving one hundred
votes to each employee, and a diverse number of votes to the ones who they think can contribute the most to the company, and the rest of the bonus is divided between the other employees, based upon the information received from the assembly of employees. So this is a democratic process. I’m a great believer of the importance of dividing power, and this way to find collective representatives, but we must include also randomly selected citizens like in ancient Athens. So for example the educational authority, when supervising schools in a region, comprising one third of the elected officials, one third of teachers, who had been randomly selected from all the teachers, and one third citizens. This way, suddenly you will have democratization. Let me remind you, that in ancient Athens, the democrats were against election, because they feared, that the aristocracy could control them.

So by creating this mixture of elected, and randomly selected citizens, in citizen
assembles, outside the firm, while in the firm there is the system of one share, one
person, one vote, that is what I mean by radical democratization.

Question of V Naszály Márta – mayor of Budapest I. district: What can we
do locally and globally, against inequalities? Which are the best tools, education
social politics, consciousness politics? How should we start with to be successful
in the left? I also ask, what should Europe do against the extensive pressure of
China and the USA?

JV: The greatest irrationality which humanity is facing in the moment, is that
the largest amount of money that we ever had, huge quantities of money, in terms
of savings, and liquidity, is not being invested in the green transition because with
its help, we could save the planet, and we could create good quality jobs that people need. What can we do with this enormous amount of money, this is what the Green New Deal is all about. We offer solutions, - for example – to the European Investment Bank, to spend 500 billion Euro every year, to soak up all this money from the banking sector, and directly invest in creation of more good jobs, and to assist the commercial banks. In this field, this is how to rebalance the present situation, by investing into the sectors in needs, by saving lives. This process could solve two mayor problems at the same time. On one hand we explain this not only to the left that this could be done tomorrow. This could be understood by everybody. This creates a political momentum to create a new coalition, to create a new Green New Deal. What is happening now is not enough. We should rethink our ideas on capitalism, not only to say, that only this or its opposite exists. I would like to interpret a message, also to the green movement, that capitalism
cannot be civilized. Capitalism will generate by itself those societies, that are
continuously ruining our planet. Our economy should be democratized, and
we must rethink our vision on democracy.

Capitalism has stopped working. This year, when for the first time there is
no longer a link between capitalists and their profits, which has existed earlier.
This is a historical moment. Either we will go to have a new kind of feudalism, a
technological feudalism, an industrial feudalism, of the oligarch and the banks, _
or we can move towards a socialist Green New Deal. There is no third option. To
move into the direction of humanism, we must stay together for the first time.
I want to call all of you, across the world, to the meeting – as we call it - of the
Progressive International, at the 18th of September. Comrades will come from
all over the world, from Nigeria, Noam Chomsky, Naomi Klein, comrades from
India, comrades from Latin-America, Lula will be there, Rafael Correa will come.
We must do this, because for all international organizations it is a must to fight
against fascism.

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More from Rosemary Frei: www.bitchute.com/video/x8Vl3WhDIiAL/

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Del Bigtree responds to Rosemary Frei. Starting from minute 51.50. thehighwire.com/videos/in-the-hot-seat/

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From Rob Verkerk: childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/interview-rob-verkerk-vanden-bossche-mass-covid-vaccinations/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=d032dc1e-c2b1-40f7-a788-6935b1ae4e11

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www.lifesitenews.com/news/theory-of-gates-associated-virologist-challenged-though-vaccine-global-catastrophe-not-ruled-out