Yanis Varoufakis dialogue with Robert Kennedy Junior?

[Wayne Hall]

By the way, there is a mistake in the translation of the Varoufakis article.

Part 6 should read:

So the state doesn't have the right to impose vaccination by force or by compulsion, but on the other hand it has an obligation to set conditions for public participation in the vaccination, e.g. for vaccination to be a condition for boarding a plane, for admission to a hospital, an old person's home, etc.

I have notified as many people as I can of this mistake.

W.
On 12/3/2020 7:17 AM, Wayne Hall wrote:
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> Dear Everyone,
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> The following message from Ellen Brown is potentially helpful.
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> Here is Ellen's latest on the subject of public banking: scheerpost.com/2020/12/01/the-fed-needs-public-banks-now-more-than-ever/
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> Note that Ellen's analysis of the role of banks has much in common with that of Yanis Varoufakis.
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> She is not alone in this. Robert Kennedy Junior's viewpoint is similar, as revealed in this very recent interview with Catherine Austin Fitts, kindly sent to me by Linda Leblanc, municipal councillor with the Cyprus Greens. The Cyprus Greens in toto, as a political party with representation in the Cypriot parliament, could be brought into the present attempt to promote public dialogue between Yanis Varoufakis and Robert Kennedy Junior. The political positions of their leader George Perdikis (Cyprus parliamentarian) on this subject are the same as Linda's and of almost everyone in the Cyprus Greens.
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> It is Yanis' expressed views on compulsory vaccination that provoke shock and amazement, not least from Linda. Are they sincere or disingenuous? In a way this doesn't matter. These are his stated views and are on record. In politics it is often of secondary importance what one's reasons are for taking a certain position. Politicians who want to be noticed seek ways to shock.
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> I think one can be fairly safe, though, if one assumes that Yanis Varoufakis' views on economics are sincere.
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> But in any case Ellen Brown's offer to help contact Andy Kaufman, and in turn Robert Kennedy Junior, are gratefully acknowledged and accepted.
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> And since Catherine Austin Fitts has also clearly recently been in contact with Robert Kennedy Junior, I suppose that she too would be in a position to help get this dialogue off the ground.
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> Children's Health Defense, who I e-mailed yesterday, could also help. So could the World Freedom Alliance, also e-mailed yesterday.
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> Here in Aegina there are potential interlocutors among the island's doctors and in the local government, including the mayor. The antagonism between Yanis Varoufakis and our local government is not only something negative, though it is that too. But it is a two-edged blade.
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> Aegina was modern Greece's de facto first capital, chosen because of its law-abiding character in the chaotic civil war conditions of the Greek Revolution. Historically also it was always, for "geopolitical" reasons, on the opposite side to the Athenian imperialist democrats. This is a subject for historians to speculate about.
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> Here's hoping.
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> Best wishes,
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> Wayne Hall
> p.s. Just as an afterthought, Christina Paroussis in Canada kindly sends this link for people who may be worried about contracting COVID19.
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> The fact that the offer is available only for a week suggests that Dr. Klinghardt is among the many who see the present situation as "a marketing opportunity". But at least nobody is accusing him of actually causing the "plandemic". And the advice he gives may well be good advice.
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> This is from Ellen Brown:
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> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 5:34 AM Wayne Hall <[e-mail]> wrote:
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> On 12/3/2020 3:36 AM, Ellen Brown wrote:
>> Hi Wayne, I don't actually have any contacts with him. I might be able to contact Andy Kaufman, MD. I was on a panel with him last weekend. But he's super busy.
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>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 5:34 AM Wayne Hall <[e-mail]> wrote:
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>> Ellen would you be able to help get Kennedy onboard with this?
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>> Wayne Hall
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>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: Fwd: Proposal for an online debate
>> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 11:35:34 +0200
>> From: Wayne Hall <[e-mail]>
>> To: Childrens Health Defense
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>> Dear Children's Health Defense,
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>> Would you be able to check if Robert Kennedy Junior would be willing to take up this suggestion of Catherine Austin Fitts and join in an online debate with Yanis Varoufakis?
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>> Best wishes,
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>> Wayne Hall
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>> Aegina, Greece
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>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: Re: Proposal for an online debate
>> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 11:27:58 +0200
>> From: Wayne Hall <[e-mail]>
>> To: Catherine Austin Fitts
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>> Catherine,
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>> I don't think I could successfully and directly approach Kennedy with such a request. I can try. I will. I am a member of the Children's Health Defense, but if the need arises to seek help can you or someone you know......help?
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>> Thanks for your prompt reply.
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>> Wayne
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>> On 12/2/2020 11:19 AM, Catherine Austin Fitts wrote:
>>> Wayne:
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>>> I can speak to the financial aspects - both family and wider - but I am not an expert on the vaccine health issues. So you need someone who has much more intimate knowledge of the science like Kennedy.
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>>> On 12/2/20 5:29 AM, Wayne Hall wrote:
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>>>> Dear Nikos,
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>>>> As convenor of the DiEM25 group in Ioannina you have been in contact with Yanis Varoufakis on the subject of vaccines and up until now have enjoyed his confidence, despite diametrically opposed views on this particular subject. Indeed he welcomed the disagreement in tribute to pluralism.
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>>>> I believe therefore that you would be well suited to moderate an online debate between Yanis and a person sharing your views on the prospect of mandatory global vaccination. I have contacted the World Freedom Alliance for them to contact a suitable speaker (I made a recommendation) but think the best approach is to pursue multiple options.
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>>>> My first choice as an interlocutor would be Catherine Austin Fitts or someone recommended by her. One of her qualifications for this task of dialoguing with Yanis, apart from her many other qualifications, would be the positive views of Yanis she publicly expressed at the time he was a minister in the Greek government, or shortly after. main.cse-initiative.eu/?p=572
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>>>> Here is my translation of what Yanis wrote a few days ago on the subject of mandatory vaccinations:
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>>>> VACCINE AS A PUBLIC GOOD
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>>>> www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/2020/11/30/emviliasmos-os-dimosio-agatho/
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>>>> The choice of whether to be vaccinated or not has two dimensions to it: a) the private, which has to do exclusively with private risk and benefit, and b) the public, which has to do with the impact that a decision not to be vaccinated will have on the community as a whole. If there wasn't the social dimension, the decision would be a private matter. But the public mention not only exists but also is of decisive significance, because if a significant proportion (e.g. abot 70%) is vaccinated, the virus ceases to threaten even those who do not have themselves vaccinated. Thus a motive for damaging public health is created if one lets the others be vaccinated, particularly if we ourselves judge that we belong in a "low risk" category.
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>>>> A liberal society is accordingly not justified in leaving this decision to each person, as if it were a private decision. On the other hand, we are not entitled to make the vaccination mandatory, in the sense of imposing a penalty, or even imprisonment, on people refusing the vaccine. We have an obligation, on the one hand, to impose costs (moral and actual) on citizens who think as "freeloaders" (let the fools be vaccinated so that I am protected) and, on the other hand, to respect the right of those refusing to non-violent imposition of rules of protection of public goods.
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>>>> This combination of supporting the public good brought by the vaccine while avoiding violent imposition on those refusing demands the following:
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>>>> 1. A public system of centres for free mass testing which will evolve initially into centres for free vaccination and then will be added to the the National Health Service's fragile system of primary health care.
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>>>> 2. Ideological ferment and provision of information on the duty of vaccination and detailed explanation of why vaccination is a public good - see below.
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>>>> 3. Linkage of rights (e.g. access to mass venues such as airports and old people's homes) to the certificate of vaccination.
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>>>> Vaccination as a Public Good: Six points and a conclusion
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>>>> 1. A public good is defined as that consumption/production that results in benefit to others above and beyond those who consume/produce [Note that Public Goods are not produced exclusively by the State, nor are they necessarily provided free of charge]
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>>>> Example 1ο: Costas' beehive makes honey for Costas but at the same time increases the productivity of the apple trees on Eleni's next-door property.
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>>>> Example 2ο: The education/culture provided by parents for their children helps the children but at the same time improves the life of those around them, reduces costs to employers, etc.
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>>>> Example 3ο: Replacement of a polluting motor which reduces consumption, at the same time protects the environment, and so the health of everybody, not only the user-driver.
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>>>> 2. Every public good entails to a varying degree the private befit of the person producing/consuming it. The small the ratio of private to public benefit the more closely the good approximates the ideal public good (e.g. the change of motor is closer to a public good than Costa's beehive). .
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>>>> 3. Public goods par excellence are vulnerable because they are threatened by private interest and self-interest (the "freeloader" phenomenon) . Given that others derive more benefit than you who consume/produce it, it is easy to say "Hey buddy, am I to be the sucker? Let someone else consume /produce it." This means that nobody will consume/produce it and everyone will suffer/will be disadvantaged. .
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>>>> 4. The vaccine is the public good par excellence. If everyone else is vaccinated it doesn't matter that you are not. Given that there is even a slight suspicion of danger from the vaccine (or even simply repulsion against needles), there is a private advantage for you in letting the others be vaccinated. But if everyone does this, the result is disaster.
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>>>> 5. So nobody has the right, when the issue is one of public goods, to say: "I have a right not to be vaccinated. It is none of your business." .
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>>>> 6. So the state has the right to impose vaccination by force or by compulsion, but on the other hand it has an obligation to set conditions for public participation in the vaccination, e.g. for vaccination to be a condition for boarding a plane, for admission to a hospital, an old person's home, etc.
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>>>> 7. In conclusion, anyone caring about public goods has a duty to support mass vaccination and condemn "libertarian" approaches of the "each person should decide for himself" type, without of course the extremity of violent mandatory imposition.
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>>>> (end of quotation)
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>>>> Best wishes,
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>>>> Wayne Hall
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