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Post by Shiviaira on May 17, 2005 15:20:59 GMT -5
I have just registered with this forum. My name is Aaron and I am from the UK - England, I live in a small Town by the sea with around 170,000 citizens plus. Our air quality is very good here one of the best in the country - so much so that doctors used to send people here to live when they were ill. I have opposed genetic engineering for over ten years now, (I only eat natural organic food) my research leads me to many controversial issues, I have traced many pharmaceutical and biotech companies to have Nazi origins or Nazi links. They are the same ones who now genetically engineer our food, use hunger as an excuse when we know we have 3x too much food as it is, use the UN for strategies to promote GE food crops and to force feed the third world, to distribute and force vaccinate genetically engineered vaccined designed to sterilise people and allow biotech companies to research in genetically engineering crops to sterilise people. All has been proven by indeprnedent labs, but of course like any evil, controversial issue it is fully ignored when we are presented with real sound scientific factual evidence. I also know that 9/11 was an inside job, we still need many questions answered but already have much evidence to prove this. The New World Order is very real and existent - now in full motion globally. ==================== I fight for: Freedom Human Rights Liberty Nature And much much more... ==================== I fight against: Corporate Terrorists Nazi corporate terrorists New World Order Corruption Corrupt government environmental agencies Corporate propaganda And much much more... I am trying not to go into too much detail on these issues, while giving you an idea of what I campaign for and against. I first discovered chemtrails were being sprayed accidentally last year - I was just looking up at the sky as I do sometimes and noticed that what first appeared to be contrails were in fact chemtrails, but I was only to realise they were chemtrails when i had researched it for several weeks/months on the Internet - I had already heard people talking about it before but was not sure of it as they did not mention it in details. What has made me take more action recently is due to the serious amounts of chemtrails now being sprayed in my local area (even within a 100 mile radius and probably UK wide I assume) I do live next to a small airport, has very light air traffic but has gradually increased in the last 5 years, but mostly with small low budget air lines. For several weeks now chemtrails have been constantly sprayed where I live, I am concerned about this. I have several questions I need to ask that I need answers to preferably with scientific evidence on cloud formation and whether or not it is true that clouds do form from normal contrails when at certain altitudes, temperatures and humidity levels. In any case I know chemtrails are the real thing because I have observed them in great detail over the last several weeks and months. When a plane flies over and leaves trails that do not disperse away within seconds like normal contrails it is obvious. Especially when I see chemtrails and contrails from planes on the same day, same time, at the same hight. I will be leaving some questions on this forum over the next few days and hope to be part of the furthering of research and to create more awareness about chemtrails. Just wanted to say hello to everyone here.
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Post by Wayne Hall on May 18, 2005 10:17:11 GMT -5
Hello Aaron. I'm sure you'll be getting some other hellos from participants here in the next few days. In the meantime here's a news item about someone coming from your parts. I do not number myself among his big fans, of which there are many here in Athens. He is being brought here by the Socialist Workers' Party, who are participants in the European (but not the Hellenic) Social Forum. Nevertheless, his visit is part of a rising political dynamic. Published on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 by the Times Online (UK)Galloway vs. The US Senate: Transcript of Statement George Galloway, Respect MP for Bethnal Green and Bow, delivered this statement to US Senators today who have accused him of corruption "Senator, I am not now, nor have I ever been, an oil trader. and neither has anyone on my behalf. I have never seen a barrel of oil, owned one, bought one, sold one - and neither has anyone on my behalf. "Now I know that standards have slipped in the last few years in Washington, but for a lawyer you are remarkably cavalier with any idea of justice. I am here today but last week you already found me guilty. You traduced my name around the world without ever having asked me a single question, without ever having contacted me, without ever written to me or telephoned me, without any attempt to contact me whatsoever. And you call that justice. I told the world that Iraq, contrary to your claims did not have weapons of mass destruction. I told the world, contrary to your claims, that Iraq had no connection to al-Qaeda. I told the world, contrary to your claims, that Iraq had no connection to the atrocity on 9/11 2001. I told the world, contrary to your claims, that the Iraqi people would resist a British and American invasion of their country and that the fall of Baghdad would not be the beginning of the end, but merely the end of the beginning. Senator, in everything I said about Iraq, I turned out to be right and you turned out to be wrong and 100,000 people paid with their lives; 1600 of them American soldiers sent to their deaths on a pack of lies; 15,000 of them wounded, many of them disabled forever on a pack of lies. "Now I want to deal with the pages that relate to me in this dossier and I want to point out areas where there are - let's be charitable and say errors. Then I want to put this in the context where I believe it ought to be. On the very first page of your document about me you assert that I have had 'many meetings' with Saddam Hussein. This is false. "I have had two meetings with Saddam Hussein, once in 1994 and once in August of 2002. By no stretch of the English language can that be described as "many meetings" with Saddam Hussein. "As a matter of fact, I have met Saddam Hussein exactly the same number of times as Donald Rumsfeld met him. The difference is Donald Rumsfeld met him to sell him guns and to give him maps the better to target those guns. I met him to try and bring about an end to sanctions, suffering and war, and on the second of the two occasions, I met him to try and persuade him to let Dr Hans Blix and the United Nations weapons inspectors back into the country - a rather better use of two meetings with Saddam Hussein than your own Secretary of State for Defense made of his. "I was an opponent of Saddam Hussein when British and Americans governments and businessmen were selling him guns and gas. I used to demonstrate outside the Iraqi embassy when British and American officials were going in and doing commerce. "You will see from the official parliamentary record, Hansard, from the 15th March 1990 onwards, voluminous evidence that I have a rather better record of opposition to Saddam Hussein than you do and than any other member of the British or American governments do. "Now you say in this document, you quote a source, you have the gall to quote a source, without ever having asked me whether the allegation from the source is true, that I am 'the owner of a company which has made substantial profits from trading in Iraqi oil'. "Senator, I do not own any companies, beyond a small company whose entire purpose, whose sole purpose, is to receive the income from my journalistic earnings from my employer, Associated Newspapers, in London. I do not own a company that's been trading in Iraqi oil. And you have no business to carry a quotation, utterly unsubstantiated and false, implying otherwise. "Now you have nothing on me, Senator, except my name on lists of names from Iraq, many of which have been drawn up after the installation of your puppet government in Baghdad. If you had any of the letters against me that you had against Zhirinovsky, and even Pasqua, they would have been up there in your slideshow for the members of your committee today. "You have my name on lists provided to you by the Duelfer inquiry, provided to him by the convicted bank robber, and fraudster and conman Ahmed Chalabi who many people to their credit in your country now realize played a decisive role in leading your country into the disaster in Iraq.
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Post by Wayne Hall on May 18, 2005 10:19:05 GMT -5
"There were 270 names on that list originally. That's somehow been filleted down to the names you chose to deal with in this committee. Some of the names on that committee included the former secretary to his Holiness Pope John Paul II, the former head of the African National Congress Presidential office and many others who had one defining characteristic in common: they all stood against the policy of sanctions and war which you vociferously prosecuted and which has led us to this disaster.
"You quote Mr Dahar Yassein Ramadan. Well, you have something on me, I've never met Mr Dahar Yassein Ramadan. Your sub-committee apparently has. But I do know that he's your prisoner, I believe he's in Abu Ghraib prison. I believe he is facing war crimes charges, punishable by death. In these circumstances, knowing what the world knows about how you treat prisoners in Abu Ghraib prison, in Bagram Airbase, in Guantanamo Bay, including I may say, British citizens being held in those places.
"I'm not sure how much credibility anyone would put on anything you manage to get from a prisoner in those circumstances. But you quote 13 words from Dahar Yassein Ramadan whom I have never met. If he said what he said, then he is wrong.
"And if you had any evidence that I had ever engaged in any actual oil transaction, if you had any evidence that anybody ever gave me any money, it would be before the public and before this committee today because I agreed with your Mr Greenblatt [Mark Greenblatt, legal counsel on the committee].
"Your Mr Greenblatt was absolutely correct. What counts is not the names on the paper, what counts is where's the money. Senator? Who paid me hundreds of thousands of dollars of money? The answer to that is nobody.
And if you had anybody who ever paid me a penny, you would have produced them today.
"Now you refer at length to a company names in these documents as Aredio Petroleum. I say to you under oath here today: I have never heard of this company, I have never met anyone from this company. This company has never paid a penny to me and I'll tell you something else: I can assure you that Aredio Petroleum has never paid a single penny to the Mariam Appeal Campaign. Not a thin dime. I don't know who Aredio Petroleum are, but I daresay if you were to ask them they would confirm that they have never met me or ever paid me a penny.
"Whilst I'm on that subject, who is this senior former regime official that you spoke to yesterday? Don't you think I have a right to know? Don't you think the Committee and the public have a right to know who this senior former regime official you were quoting against me interviewed yesterday actually is?
"Now, one of the most serious of the mistakes you have made in this set of documents is, to be frank, such a schoolboy howler as to make a fool of the efforts that you have made. You assert on page 19, not once but twice, that the documents that you are referring to cover a different period in time from the documents covered by The Daily Telegraph which were a subject of a libel action won by me in the High Court in England late last year.
"You state that The Daily Telegraph article cited documents from 1992 and 1993 whilst you are dealing with documents dating from 2001. Senator, The Daily Telegraph's documents date identically to the documents that you were dealing with in your report here. None of The Daily Telegraph's documents dealt with a period of 1992, 1993. I had never set foot in Iraq until late in 1993 - never in my life. There could possibly be no documents relating to Oil-for-Food matters in 1992, 1993, for the Oil-for-Food scheme did not exist at that time.
"And yet you've allocated a full section of this document to claiming that your documents are from a different era to the Daily Telegraph documents when the opposite is true. Your documents and the Daily Telegraph documents deal with exactly the same period.
"But perhaps you were confusing the Daily Telegraph action with the Christian Science Monitor. The Christian Science Monitor did indeed publish on its front pages a set of allegations against me very similar to the ones that your committee have made. They did indeed rely on documents which started in 1992, 1993. These documents were unmasked by the Christian Science Monitor themselves as forgeries.
"Now, the neo-con websites and newspapers in which you're such a hero, senator, were all absolutely cock-a-hoop at the publication of the Christian Science Monitor documents, they were all absolutely convinced of their authenticity. They were all absolutely convinced that these documents showed me receiving $10 million from the Saddam regime. And they were all lies.
"In the same week as the Daily Telegraph published their documents against me, the Christian Science Monitor published theirs which turned out to be forgeries and the British newspaper, Mail on Sunday, purchased a third set of documents which also upon forensic examination turned out to be forgeries. So there's nothing fanciful about this. Nothing at all fanciful about it.
"The existence of forged documents implicating me in commercial activities with the Iraqi regime is a proven fact. It's a proven fact that these forged documents existed and were being circulated amongst right-wing newspapers in Baghdad and around the world in the immediate aftermath of the fall of the Iraqi regime.
"Now, Senator, I gave my heart and soul to oppose the policy that you promoted. I gave my political life's blood to try to stop the mass killing of Iraqis by the sanctions on Iraq which killed one million Iraqis, most of them children, most of them died before they even knew that they were Iraqis, but they died for no other reason other than that they were Iraqis with the misfortune to born at that time. I gave my heart and soul to stop you committing the disaster that you did commit in invading Iraq. And I told the world that your case for the war was a pack of lies.
“I told the world that Iraq, contrary to your claims did not have weapons of mass destruction. I told the world, contrary to your claims, that Iraq had no connection to al-Qaeda. I told the world, contrary to your claims, that Iraq had no connection to the atrocity on 9/11 2001. I told the world, contrary to your claims, that the Iraqi people would resist a British and American invasion of their country and that the fall of Baghdad would not be the beginning of the end, but merely the end of the beginning.
"Senator, in everything I said about Iraq, I turned out to be right and you turned out to be wrong and 100,000 people paid with their lives; 1600 of them American soldiers sent to their deaths on a pack of lies; 15,000 of them wounded, many of them disabled forever on a pack of lies.
If the world had listened to Kofi Annan, whose dismissal you demanded, if the world had listened to President Chirac who you want to paint as some kind of corrupt traitor, if the world had listened to me and the anti-war movement in Britain, we would not be in the disaster that we are in today.
Senator, this is the mother of all smokescreens. You are trying to divert attention from the crimes that you supported, from the theft of billions of dollars of Iraq's wealth.
"Have a look at the real Oil-for-Food scandal. Have a look at the 14 months you were in charge of Baghdad, the first 14 months when $8.8 billion of Iraq's wealth went missing on your watch. Have a look at Halliburton and other American corporations that stole not only Iraq's money, but the money of the American taxpayer.
"Have a look at the oil that you didn't even meter, that you were shipping out of the country and selling, the proceeds of which went who knows where? Have a look at the $800 million you gave to American military commanders to hand out around the country without even counting it or weighing it.
"Have a look at the real scandal breaking in the newspapers today, revealed in the earlier testimony in this committee. That the biggest sanctions busters were not me or Russian politicians or French politicians. The real sanctions busters were your own companies with the connivance of your own Government."
© 2005 Times Newspapers
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Post by javelina on May 18, 2005 23:51:47 GMT -5
Welcome, Aaron.
I share your opposition to genetically-engineered food and make a point of not supporting this industry in any way.
One thing that really upsets me is that many organic farmers are now finding that pollen from the increasing number of plantations of GM crops is beginning to contaminate their crops. This makes me crazy if you want to know the truth.
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Post by Shiviaira on May 19, 2005 17:34:17 GMT -5
Welcome, Aaron.
I share your opposition to genetically-engineered food and make a point of not supporting this industry in any way.
One thing that really upsets me is that many organic farmers are now finding that pollen from the increasing number of plantations of GM crops is beginning to contaminate their crops. This makes me crazy if you want to know the truth. Yes, I feel the same it is very sad to see, GE seed/gene flow/contamination does do an awful lot of damage and as we know the new GE strains are more dominant than natural pollen. The funny thing is the fact that (nature is perfect in all ways and always offers solutions) wild varieties of seeds are much more genetically diverse than any conventional crops which are used, making them very hardy to bad weather conditions, helthier, higher in nutrients/vitamins and antioxidants and because they are wild seed/strains and hardy to severe weather conditions they also are much easier to grow. Mexico used to offer natural alternative medical treatment for diseases including cancers to treat, prevent and cure diseases and cancer - before they sold out to agribusiness/United Nations and USA. And because GE food crops are all the same genetic ID - if some terrorists (real terrorists or even US state sponsored one) came along and contaminated food with a virus that damaged all the crop then they would have a 100% loss of those crops and any other crops it pollinated/contaminated that was the same variety such as Bt-10 corn - all woudl be completely destroyed because of it being genetically identical - just one of trillion reasons why nature is always best. Genetic Diversity is much better for us all - when it comes to food, people - and everything else natural.
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Post by Shiviaira on May 19, 2005 17:41:52 GMT -5
There will be no rainforests left by 2050! A FACT. When genetic diversity is destroyed - we all lose out - when biodiversity dies - we all die! Just another example of intensive industrialised factory farming and it's devastation it causes. In 50 years herbicide, pesticide and insecticide use has destroyed 1/3 of all biodiversity, and now over 70% of all GM crops are engineered to be resistent to herbicides which generates 90% of profits for such evil biotech companies the sale of it's herbicide not the seeds. And since herbicide resistent GM crops have been suffering from pests because pests have since becoem immune to these lethal pesticides scientists have now started to develop GM crosp that have human DNA in them so they can make even more herbicide resistent crops - which will lead to even more diseases in humans and great devastation to our environment. Genetically-Mutated Crops - a lethally toxic dumping ground for pestcides. GM crops result in massive deforestation globally mostly in Asia and South America where the downsized rainforests still exist - but not for much longer if we allow such corporate terrorists to have their way - it will mean the end to all humanity. Genetically Engineered crops have done much more damage to our rainforests than any other form of farming - to find out why read below and do your own research. Amazon vanishing at nine football fields a minute www.greenpeace.org.uk/contentlookup.cfm?ucidparam=20050519110452Trashing of the Amazon continues - highest year of forest destruction on record * Last edited: 19-05-2005 New Amazon deforestation figures released by the Brazilian Government yesterday evening (18th May 2005) showed that 26,130 square kilometres of rainforest were wrecked between August 2003 and August 2004, an area larger than Wales. More than 70% of the loss occurred between May and July 2004, after the adoption of Brazilian President Lula's Action Plan to Curb Deforestation. Paulo Adario of Greenpeace Amazon said: "Agribusiness and illegal logging are key culprits of deforestation. President Lula's government is facing a fundamental contradiction: to fight Amazon deforestation or to promote the expansion of agribusiness to pay the Brazilian external debt. To make a real difference on the ground, the Government needs to restrict soya plantations to areas already deforested, combat illegal logging, and effectively implement their own anti-deforestation plan. "Lula's administration has clearly failed to protect the Amazon. Although there have been positive measures taken by the Government, such as the creation of protected areas and the demarcation of indigenous land, the fact that more than 23,000 square kilometres has been deforested every year for the last three years is totally unacceptable." Pat Venditti of Greenpeace UK said: "Illegally logged timber products from the Amazon continue to make their way into the UK. The UK government should stop playing footsie with this criminal activity and implement legislation banning imports of these products." For more information contact: Paulo Adario, Greenpeace Amazon Campaign Coordinator on +55 92 81158928 Tica Minami, Greenpeace Amazon Media Officer on +55 92 9995 2070 Greenpeace UK press office on +44 (0)20 7865 8255
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Post by Shiviaira on May 19, 2005 17:52:37 GMT -5
Roundup/Glyphosate Herbicide (the herbicide sprayed on GM herbicide resistent crops) was always thought to cause cancer!
I know people who have died due to pesticides - caused cancer including members of my family.
Roundup and Cancer Meriel Watts Soil & Health, May/June 1998, Vol 58. No.3, p.16.
1. Non-Hodgkin lymphoma (NHL)
A recent population-based study in Sweden1, of links between exposure to pesticides and incidence of non-Hodgkin lymphoma, established an increase risk of NHL for people exposed to herbicides and to fungicides (but not insecticides). Of the herbicides the strongest link was demonstrated with the phenoxy herbicide MCPA. This confirms the findings of a number of other studies over the years since 1979 which have linked NHL with exposure to phenoxy herbicides including 2,4-D2-7, according to the authors. The study also found a significant increase in risk of NHL following exposure to glyphosate. The authors warn that definite conclusions cannot be drawn because of the low numbers of exposed subjects: 4 for glyphosate, with 3 control subjects. However they also state that the results might be of concern as the usage of glyphosate has increased drastically since the time period for diagnosis that was used in this study. They draw attention to reports of gene mutations8-10 and chromosomal aberrations11 in mouse lymphoma cells exposed to glyphosate; to the increased incidence of hepatocellular carcinoma, leukemia and lymphoma in one study on mice12, and to the increased number of sister chromatid exchanges in a study on human lymphocytes13. Based on these reported studies, their findings and an earlier study that demonstrated a link between glyphosate and hairy cell leukemia (see below), the authors believe that "glyphosate deserves further epidemiological studies".
2. Hairy cell leukemia
An earlier population-based study in Sweden14 also found an elevated risk of non-Hodgkin lymphoma - this time of the hairy cell leukemia subgroup of NHL - resulting from exposure to herbicides and fungicides. The results are very similar to the above study, with exposure to all herbicides analysed for showing a strong correlation to incidence of hairy cell leukemia - the incidence was strongest for exposure to glyphosate and MCPA, and then for 2,4-D. Again the results cannot be viewed as conclusive because of the small number of subjects - for glyphosate 4 cases and 5 controls.
The results of these two studies fail to confirm the US EPA's classification of glyphosate as non-carcinogenic and do indicate the valid possibility of a link between glyphosate and non-Hodgkin lymphoma, a possibility that can no longer be ignored. That being the case, it can be concluded that a precautionary approach should be taken to any further use of glyphosate in New Zealand until a definite link can be established or refuted with certainty.
SIDEBAR: In 1993 the US EPA15 declared glyphosate as being non-carcinogenic to humans on the basis of only 3 studies on rats and mice. These studies all showed a variety of carcinogenic effects which, however, were considered to be not statistically significant: * increased thyroid C-cell carcinomas - at high dose levels * increased interstitial cell testicular tumours - at high dose levels * increased pancreatic islet cell carcinomas, at low and high doses * increased liver adenomas - at low and high doses * increased thyroid C-cell carcinomas - at mid and high doses * slight increase in incidence of renal tubular adenomas - at high doses.
References:
1. Hardell L, Eriksson M. 1999. A case-control study of non-Hodgkin lymphoma and exposure to pesticides. Cancer 85(6): 1353-1360. 2. Hardell L. 1979. Malignant lymphoma of histiocytic type and exposure to phenoxyacetic acids or chlorophenols. Lancet 1:55-6. 3. Hardell L, Eriksson M, Lenner P, Lundgren E. 1981. Malignant lymphoma and exposure to chemicals, especially organic solvents, chlorophenols and phenoxy acids: a case-control study. British Journal of Cancer 43:169-76. 4. Hoar SK., Blair A., Holmes FF, Boysen CD, Robel RJ, Hoover R, Fraumeni JF, Jr. 1986. Agricultural herbicide use and risk of lymphoma and soft-tissue sarcoma. Journal of American Medical Association 256:1141-7. 5. Zahm SH, Weisenburger DD, Babbitt PA, Saul RC, Vaught JB, Cantor KP, Blair A. 1990. A case-control study of non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma and the herbicide 2,4-dichlorophenoxyacetic acid (2,4-D) in Eastern Nebraska. Epidemiology l(5):349-356. 6. Kogevinas M, Kauppinen T, Winkelmann R, Johnson ES, Bertazzi PA, Buneo de Mesquita BH. 1995. Soft tissue sarcoma and non-Hodgkin's lymphoma in workers exposed to phenoxy herbicides, chlorophenols and dioxins: two nested case-control studies. Epidemiology 6:396-402 7. Becher H, Flesch-Janys D, Kauppinen T, Kogevinas M, Steindorf K, Manz A, et al. 1996. Cancer mortality in German male workers exposed to phenoxy herbicides and dioxins. Cancer Causes Control 7:312-21. 8. Majeska JB, Matheson DW. 1982. R-50224: mutagenicity evaluation in mouse lymphoma multiple endpoint test. A forward mutagenicity assay T-10848. Farmington: Stauffer Chemical Company. 9. Majeska JB, Matheson DW. 1982. R-50224, sample 3: mutagenicity evaluation in mouse lymphoma multiple endpoint test. Forward mutation assay T-11018. Farmington: Stauffer Chemical Company. 10. Majeska JB, Matheson DW. 1985. SC-0224: mutagenicity evaluation in mouse lymphoma multiple endpoint test. Forward mutation assay T-12661. Farmington: Stauffer Chemical Company. 11. Majeska JB, Matheson DW. 1985. SC-0224: mutagenicity evaluation in mouse lymphoma multiple endpoint test, cytogenetic assay T-12662. Farmington: Stauffer Chemical Company. 12. Pavkov KL, Turnier JC. 1986. 2-year chronic toxicity and oncogenicity dietary study with SC-0224 in mice. T-11813. Farmington: Stauffer Chemical Company. 13. Vigfusson NV, Vyse ER. 1980. The effect of the pesticides Dexon, Captan, and Roundup, on sister-chromatid exchanges in human lymphocytes in vitro. Mutation Research 79:53-7. 14. Nordstrom M, Hardell L, Magnuson A, Hagberg H, Rask-Anderson A. 1998. Occupational exposures, animal exposure and smoking as risk factors for hairy cell leukaemia evaluated in a case-control study. British Journal of Cancer 77(11):2048-2052. 15. US EPA, 1993. EPA Reregistration Eligibility Document. Glyphosate. Office of Prevention, Pesticides and Toxic Substances. September 1993.
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Post by Shiviaira on May 19, 2005 18:08:37 GMT -5
Hello Aaron. I'm sure you'll be getting some other hellos from participants here in the next few days. In the meantime here's a news item about someone coming from your parts. I do not number myself among his big fans, of which there are many here in Athens. He is being brought here by the Socialist Workers' Party, who are participants in the European (but not the Hellenic) Social Forum. Nevertheless, his visit is part of a rising political dynamic. Published on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 by the Times Online (UK)Galloway vs. The US Senate: Transcript of Statement George Galloway, Respect MP for Bethnal Green and Bow, delivered this statement to US Senators today who have accused him of corruption "Senator, I am not now, nor have I ever been, an oil trader. and neither has anyone on my behalf. I have never seen a barrel of oil, owned one, bought one, sold one - and neither has anyone on my behalf. "Now I know that standards have slipped in the last few years in Washington, but for a lawyer you are remarkably cavalier with any idea of justice. I am here today but last week you already found me guilty. You traduced my name around the world without ever having asked me a single question, without ever having contacted me, without ever written to me or telephoned me, without any attempt to contact me whatsoever. And you call that justice. I told the world that Iraq, contrary to your claims did not have weapons of mass destruction. I told the world, contrary to your claims, that Iraq had no connection to al-Qaeda. I told the world, contrary to your claims, that Iraq had no connection to the atrocity on 9/11 2001. I told the world, contrary to your claims, that the Iraqi people would resist a British and American invasion of their country and that the fall of Baghdad would not be the beginning of the end, but merely the end of the beginning. Senator, in everything I said about Iraq, I turned out to be right and you turned out to be wrong and 100,000 people paid with their lives; 1600 of them American soldiers sent to their deaths on a pack of lies; 15,000 of them wounded, many of them disabled forever on a pack of lies. "Now I want to deal with the pages that relate to me in this dossier and I want to point out areas where there are - let's be charitable and say errors. Then I want to put this in the context where I believe it ought to be. On the very first page of your document about me you assert that I have had 'many meetings' with Saddam Hussein. This is false. "I have had two meetings with Saddam Hussein, once in 1994 and once in August of 2002. By no stretch of the English language can that be described as "many meetings" with Saddam Hussein. "As a matter of fact, I have met Saddam Hussein exactly the same number of times as Donald Rumsfeld met him. The difference is Donald Rumsfeld met him to sell him guns and to give him maps the better to target those guns. I met him to try and bring about an end to sanctions, suffering and war, and on the second of the two occasions, I met him to try and persuade him to let Dr Hans Blix and the United Nations weapons inspectors back into the country - a rather better use of two meetings with Saddam Hussein than your own Secretary of State for Defense made of his. "I was an opponent of Saddam Hussein when British and Americans governments and businessmen were selling him guns and gas. I used to demonstrate outside the Iraqi embassy when British and American officials were going in and doing commerce. "You will see from the official parliamentary record, Hansard, from the 15th March 1990 onwards, voluminous evidence that I have a rather better record of opposition to Saddam Hussein than you do and than any other member of the British or American governments do. "Now you say in this document, you quote a source, you have the gall to quote a source, without ever having asked me whether the allegation from the source is true, that I am 'the owner of a company which has made substantial profits from trading in Iraqi oil'. "Senator, I do not own any companies, beyond a small company whose entire purpose, whose sole purpose, is to receive the income from my journalistic earnings from my employer, Associated Newspapers, in London. I do not own a company that's been trading in Iraqi oil. And you have no business to carry a quotation, utterly unsubstantiated and false, implying otherwise. "Now you have nothing on me, Senator, except my name on lists of names from Iraq, many of which have been drawn up after the installation of your puppet government in Baghdad. If you had any of the letters against me that you had against Zhirinovsky, and even Pasqua, they would have been up there in your slideshow for the members of your committee today. "You have my name on lists provided to you by the Duelfer inquiry, provided to him by the convicted bank robber, and fraudster and conman Ahmed Chalabi who many people to their credit in your country now realize played a decisive role in leading your country into the disaster in Iraq. Thanks Wayne, I am happy to be posting on this message board. George Galloway is INNOCENT! The real (war) criminals are the corrupt ones who screwed US citizens by stealing tax money and starving Iraqi's - oil for food programme corrutpion in the United Nations. Fake forged documents were in circulation from certain US intelligece agencies and possibly even UK intelligence agencies trying to make it appear that Galloway was guilty of aiding Saddam with oil sales secretly - they always have to blame someone who is innocent for their own crimes., usually the most honest people. al Qaeda - errr I mean al CIA-da must love this scandal coverup.
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Post by Shiviaira on May 19, 2005 18:21:11 GMT -5
Going back to the Nazi biotech issue: some scientist had actually discovered and proven backed by scientific evidence that BSE/CJD is actually caused by pesticides NOT by feeding cows ground up bones from sheep - apparantly - but of course he was given the usual bad reputation as all honest scientists are when they reveal to truthful facts and his character was assasinated and then later his house was burnt down and his lawyer was killed. Research it for yourselves: www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=pesticides+cause+BSE+house+burnt+killed&btnG=Search&meta=YES - research way back - well only 60 years or so to now and you will find out all the Nazi connections and Nazi origins of Pharmaceutical / biotech cartels.
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Post by Wayne Hall on Jun 11, 2007 12:13:05 GMT -5
Hello new member Michael World Gathering. Would you like to tell us a few things about yourself?
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Post by EnviroEngr on Nov 30, 2007 11:58:00 GMT -5
Wow.... It has been a looooong time.
Wayne, I hope you are well. This weekend, I can take a shot at updating you.
Good to be back, John
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Post by Wayne Hall on Dec 1, 2007 0:39:07 GMT -5
Wow.... It has been a looooong time. Wayne, I hope you are well. This weekend, I can take a shot at updating you. Good to be back, John Great to see you back here again John. It is indeed a long time and there has been a lot of water under the bridge. You will be able to get some sense of that if you go to our website www.enouranois.grVery much look forward to seeing what you have to say to us on the various fronts of our activity. A pity what happened with Mike Ruppert.
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Post by Wayne Hall on Dec 4, 2007 15:18:12 GMT -5
Welcome aboard also to Karen Lee, of the Hellenic-American Democratic Assocation, who joined today, and to Aliki Stefanou, currently in Vienna, who joined a day or two ago.
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