Chemtrails activists visit Greek parliament

[Wayne Hall]

Today 19th May 2011 a delegation of Greek chemtrails activists from Volos, Aigina and Athens visited the chairman of the Greek parliament's environmental committee Mr. Costas Kartalis.
www.kkartalis.gr/

This had been made possible by the energy of the Volos activists and the fact that this Greek city is in the electorate of Mr. Kartalis so that he has immediate practical reasons for demonstrating interest. He had been identified as the man who signed the de facto moratorium on implementation of geoengineering proposals that had been signed by 193 states at the UN Convention on Biodiversity at Nagoya last October. Similar inquiries in Belgium earlier this year identified the Flemish Environment Minister Joke Schauvliege as Mr. Kartalis' Belgian counterpart, and this had led to a meeting between Mrs Schauvliege and chemtrail activist and former Flemish mayor Peter Vereecke at which the Minister had admitted "off the record" that the aerial spraying seen in the skies over Belgium (and everywhere else) is "geoengineering" ("solar radiation management") in action. However, it did not prove possible to get Mrs. Schauvliege to confirm this admission "on the record".

The approach we decided to adopt with Mr. Kartalis was to congratulate him for having signed the de facto moratorium and asking him his reasons for doing so. But he didn't respond to this opening, preferring to insist that we tell him things, and allow him to ask the questions. So it was over to our scientific representative, who presented the chemtrails activists' case, and received the standard inquiries from Mr. Kartalis on what evidence we have for our assertions. When I intervened to say that it was because of this response that I had wished that we ask HIM the questions on his reasons for signing the moratorium. He replied that he had not signed, but that some unnamed official had signed. I therefore said that the signature was on behalf of the Greek government, and therefore reflected Greek government policy. He said that he thought the moratorium probably involved different types of agricultural spraying, but we all thought that this response could not be accepted as being in any way credible, as this was not what is called geoengineering. The discussion moved on to the response that chemtrails activists had received from the government of Cyprus, where certain undertakings had been secured to carry out tests to confirm or refute chemtrail activists' allegations. Mr. Kartalis said that the Cypriot Defense Minister was "exposed" if he agreed to take seriously any allegations that Cyprus was not in control of its airspace. But as he learned more details of the Cypriot response, and as the discussion went on to HAARP, he said that the interpretation that aerosol spraying might serve the purpose of increasing the conductivity of the atmosphere seemed less implausible to him. He said finally that he did not rule out "the negative interpretation" and agreed to investigate the subject. This was a very vague assurance but given that the discussion did not seem to have much hope of achieving more, it ended, and the delegation later agreed that we would treat this as a promise to which Mr. Kartalis would be held.

There was a difference of opinion in the delegation as to whether Mr. Kartalis was sincerely under-informed or whether he was dissembling. That he was dissembling was the majority view. Nevertheless, he has given an undertaking of sorts, and one must see what can be done with it, at the same time not expecting too much of conventional politicians. Whether any attempt should be made to try to turn chemtrails into a voting issue in his electorate is something for the people of Volos to think about.

[Wayne Hall]

This is a new letter to Mr. Costas Kartalis:


Dear Mr Kartalis,

As one of the persons representing Greece at the Conference on Biodiversity at Nagoya, Japan, last year, you will be familiar with the de facto moratorium on real world geoengineering experimentation that was agreed there, with the support of 193 governments including the Greek government.

At a meeting in the Greek parliament on 17th May 2011 with Dr. Nikos Katsaros, Mr. Wayne Hall and Mrs. Freideriki Zougrou you agreed to investigate the subject of geoengineering in the context of your work on Parliamentary Committee for the Environment and in this connection we would like to inform you of the following developments.

On June 14 2011 a news release was published by the Action Group on Erosion, Technology and Concentration (ETC Group) entitled “Take Geoengineering off the Table”: www.etcgroup.org/en/node/5271
followed by an Open Letter to the IPCC www.etcgroup.org/en/node/5267

There is evidence that this petitioning may have had some effect, for the formulations on geoengineering that emerged from the subsequent IPCC meeting at Lima in Peru showed evidence of caution: www.etcgroup.org/en/node/5273

We would like reassurance from you that you will continue to support the Greek government’s policy on geoengineering as expressed in its support for the de facto moratorium at Nagoya.

The Greek Movement against Chemical Aerial Spraying stands for policies that are more frank than the policies of the ETC Group. In order to gain acceptance for its opposition to geoengineering proposals (including the atmospheric spraying of toxic aerosols from aircraft) the ETC Group adheres to an officially prescribed fiction that geoengineering projects of this kind are still at the stage of advocacy and/or experimentation. It does not acknowledge the reality that they are a well-entrenched and long-established global fact, of mind-boggling dimensions and with no precedent in human history.

Though supporting the ETC Group in their demands on scientists and on politicians to oppose most forms of geoengineering, we would also like to make it clear that we see the official scenario on geoengineering (geoengineering-as-proposal-and/or-experiment) as merely one more illustration of the failure of established political systems anywhere to deal in actually existing realities as opposed to media-disseminated fictions (or, to be less polite: lies).

Like the Outraged Citizens who in mid-2011 began occupying the public squares of the world’s cities, we reject official politics. Rather than just petitioning party politicians who are trapped in virtual reality, we are organizing ourselves as a permanent alternative reality-based system of government by citizens.

We have nevertheless made the strategic choice of supporting groups like ETC and “Hands off Mother Earth” who have opted to participate in the venues that are opened to them if they avoid frankness and honesty.

We urge you to continue, as you agreed to do in the Greek Parliament on 17th May 2001, to support and promote the Greek government’s opposition to the geoengineering proposals currently under discussion in international organizations and in the mainstream media. We would like confirmation from you that you support ETC’s June 20 Open Letter to the IPCC.

Movement against Chemical Aerial Spraying
Volos, Greece