The Moratorium on Geoengineering

[Wayne Hall]

Correspondence with Rosalie Bertell and other activists

I would like in this e-mail to focus attention on the question of relations with the ETC Group, with Hands off Mother Earth, with the moratorium on geoengineering passed at the UN Conference on Biodiversity, against the background of the fact that the majority of chemtrails activists are both climate change sceptics and opponents of the United Nations.

Many chemtrails activists focus on the fact that the ETC group does not acknowledge chemtrails as a well-established, in no way "experimental", global reality. Here is an example of one such posting: a Pat Mooney interview with Amy Goodman, and Jeff Farias's comments on it.


Rosalie has a high opinion of Pat Mooney, who she says she knows well, and has given the impression from what she has said in her postings that she thinks his stance on chemtrails is a result of being inadequately informed. She makes similar assumptions in her response to Diane Bronson's answer to the Open Letter some of us chemtrails activists in Greece sent to Hands off Mother Earth
www.enouranois.gr/english/epistolesenglish/indexbronson.htm

What I think is more likely is that the ETC group's focus on geoengineering as a purportedly non-military project is deliberate, and aimed at taking advantage of the fact that an attempt is being made at this time to gain public consent to geoengineering ideas, thus removing from the subject the "conspiracy theory" taboo.

Chemtrails activists are under no obligation to fall into line with this disingenuous attitude of the ETC group and Hands off Mother Earth. I believe that the most effective strategy is to maintain independence from them, but to seek to strengthen their position within the circles of the scientists discussing climate change and geoengineering. One way to do this is to say that we do not recognize the credentials of any scientist to be involved with geoengineering projects if that scientist is in favour of such unacceptable ways of treating the planet earth and life on it. The only scientists whose legitimacy we are prepared to recognize are scientists, e.g. who publicly support Hands off Mother Earth.

As I said, most chemtrails activists are climate change sceptics and hostile to the UN. They therefore tend to regard the ETC group as "controlled opposition" and part of a a plan to mislead and demobilize real activists. My view would be that the real "controlled opposition" is scientists like Alan Robock, who express great reservations in relation to geoengineering, but have not declared support for Hands off Mother Earth. This is why I think that Mauro Oliveira's street argument with Robock was not good strategy, though it has given us a useful document.


How can chemtrails activists who are climate change sceptics and opponents of the UN get the right orientation towards ETC group and HOME activists who are neither sceptics nor UN opponents? The ETC group say that geoengineering should not be under the control of only a few rich countries, mainly English-speaking, but should be controlled by the United Nations. They say that Britain's Royal Society should abandon its attempts to host the geoengineering discussion and leave the job entirely to the United Nations, where poor countries can also have their say.

But unlike United Nations forums, which have not been open to chemtrails activists (the one exception being a UN NGO forum in New York, where Rosalind Peterson spoke, and has not - it seems - been invited again) the Royal Society geoengineering discussion HAS been open to chemtrails activists. Saskia Messager made an intervention and Rebecca Campbell submitted a paper, which was acknowledged.

We should therefore not necessarily support the ETC group view that the United Nations is more appropriate than the Royal Society as a forum for geoengineering discussion though we SHOULD say that only scientists supporting the HOME orientation on geoengineering are acceptable to us. What counterproposal to UN responsibility can climate change sceptic and anti-UN chemtrails activists make that will not just lead to self-isolation? .

I have made the suggestion to some American anti-UN activists that they should propose the Commonwealth, after the US has joined it.
globalskywatch.com/chemtrails/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3462#Post3462

Such a move could conceivably strengthen the hand of chemtrails activists and weaken the position of geoengineers, in institutions such as the Royal Society.

If such a proposal is seen as too eccentric, though it does not seem more wacky or eccentric to me than the idea of a North American Union that would bring together Canada and the US, then I would ask what other counterproposal to the United Nations can there be as a means for organizing the world at the international level.

Rebecca Campbell says this:
"I feel that we all have been lied to in this, as in most matters (i.e. about climate change); that there is indeed climate change going on, but it is now going on at least throughout our solar system, and likely throughout our galaxy as a natural process of transformation long prophecied by intuitives whose insights are now being proven scientifically as such classified information is being disclosed.
The NWO has coopted the mainstream environmental movement, and is using it to justify a depopulation agenda, while locking climate change skeptics into a limited mindset unable to consider the larger framework of cosmic phenomena now dramatically unfolding."

In her submission to the Royal Society Rebecca concealed her views on climate change and depopulation agendas but (or perhaps I should say "so") made what was in many ways a disarming and effective intervention, targeting the hypocrisy of pretending that "Solar Radiation Management" is just a proposal. How can we organize a follow-up to this effective incursion into the official discussions, a breakthrough potentially as significant as the ETC group's geoengineering moratorium.

For those who are discontented with our ignoring the aggressive "military" aspect of the aerial spraying, one other new development that is perhaps worth following up (and Keith Lampe is trying to start a relevant dialogue with it) this input from Rachel Smolker, once again, like the ETC group, from a climate change non-sceptic position.

www.climatesos.org/2010/11/resolution-war-climate/

Extract from Rosalie Bertell's response:

I think the climate change activists have gone overboard on CO2 which may not be the main problem. They have not, for example, considered the effect of shifting the magnetic pole. No one seems to have a complete grasp of the problems much less the solutions!

[Wayne Hall]

Nobody in Greece has ever "forgotten" the meaning of the word "apocalypse" and in any case I had enough of the apocalyptic drummed into me in my childhood when I was surrounded by devotees of the American Jehovah's Witness religion.

If the claims you are making here are true there is nothing we can do but pray, if we find this a meaningful activity. If they are not true, you undermine your own credibility, and the credibility of the movement you want to speak for, by making them.

There is a much more basic and feasible action that is within the capacity of everybody apart from Americans. It is possible even for Canadians, with Americans helping them. That is, find whoever signed the moratorium on geoengineering at Nagoya on behalf of your government, ask them why they did this, record their answers and publicize them to everyone else in this international anti-chemtrails/anti-geoengineering movement we have. That is a good basis for further action by international civil society, to help governments that want to be helped.

If you want to keep being impressed by "prophecies", you can still do so if you insist, while ALSO assisting with the more basic and simple action I propose.

Wayne Hall
Aigina, Greece


From: Campbell Rebecca
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 12:48 AM
To: undisclosed recipients:
Subject: The Cosmic Implications of Present Events in the Gulf of Mexico

The Cosmic Implications of Present Events in the Gulf of Mexico


"We cannot solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

-- Albert Einstein


The original forgotten meaning of apocalypse: it comes from the Greek apokalyptein / apokalypsis -- to uncover / a time of uncovering.

Yesterday, two important articles began widely circulating on the internet: one by Ian Crane further identified likely New World Order/corporate-connected perpetrators of the terracide in the Gulf of Mexico that now threatens to destroy all life on Earth; the second, by Dr. Tom Termotto, attempts to put into perspective such recent stories about the terracidal perpetrators and other worthy recent political and scientific exposes concerning same. It also addresses still another recent post by John Dinardo, which reveals credible scientifc evidence that a configuration of events in our solar system and geoseismic events on Earth are about to trigger an apocalypse centered in the region of the Gulf of Mexico, the same region where the continent of Atlantis was destroyed by a configuration of similar events some 13,000 years ago.

The article by Dr. Termotto concludes that the NWO corporate-controlled major national governments of our planet are seeking to conceal the coming Gulf-based apocalypse from us to avoid losing control over us, which would explain the current ecocidal genocide being perpetrated by BP and its contractors and the US government and its military to depopulate the Gulf region -- and, by implication, the many top-secret deep underground military bases found in every nation on Earth, where the NWO and its corporate government operatives
evidently believe that they can safely repair during such a time of global catastrophe.

Fortunately, Dr. Termotto, the writer of the latter article seeking overall perspective, wisely asks that intuitive/spiritual insights,
as well as those political and scientific, be shared in response. Although in the past, I have worked to contribute in these other two areas, I today will answer with what I have seen spiritually and intuitively, supported by increasing evidence in real time.

The significance of the disastrous events in the Gulf of Mexico is that they have occurred as prophecied so that we humans
now inhabiting this world will awaken to the vast and unrelenting damage that we collectively have allowed to occur to our present home in this universe, the planet Earth, and our responsibility to rectify this. They have occurred as prophecied so that we will awaken to the damage we have done to ourselves by allowing an ancient dark force operating currently through corporatized government -- as well as within ourselves -- to enslave us while we continue to allow destructive, distractive divisions between and within ourselves to remain, all the while consuming its
cunningly manufactured illusions of freedom.

These seemingly catastrophic events have occurred as prophecied so that we will awaken to our identities as beings made in the image and likeness of our Creator, with rapidly evolving creative powers capable of transforming ourselves and our planetary environment with the intense, unprecedented energies of ascension now catalyzing and altering our world and our very beings through our sun from the galactic center. They have also occurred as prophecied so that we will remember our universal origins and publicly acknowledge our connection as cosmic beings with those of the celestial realm.

This includes those of other star nations now here in this solar system on our behalf, encircling our planet and walking secretly among us to support and mentor us during this time of turbulent transition, without whose quiet and unconditionally loving ministrations our world -- since our present primitive civilization's rediscovery of atomic energy in the mid-twentieth century -- would have been long ago destroyed.

This being so, we on this earth need rapidly to raise and integrate our consciousness in order to shift our paradigm from one based on the fear of death, exclusion and scarcity to one of the celebration of life, inclusion and abundance with a thereby justified faith in our future. With this justified faith in our future based on such higher, integrated consciousness, we first need to fully acknowledge ourselves, both with our vast virtues and capacities, as well as our personal and systemic transgressions.

We will then quickly discover an abundance of spiritual and practical insights, coming from both ourselves as Earth humans and from our then-fully acknowledged fellow beings -- terrestrial, celestial and extraterrestrial -- by which these apparently inevitable cataclysms on this planet might be ultimately averted.

Rebecca Em Campbell
Seattle, Washington State-USA
February 1, 2011

[Wayne Hall]

Text of first meeting of Athens, Greece, Chemtrails/Geoengineering Action Committee December, 2010

www.enouranois.gr/english/epistolesenglish/indeepitropiagona.htm


Good evening.

We came together this evening to speak to people. And to begin with to speak to our friends in Cyprus about the creation of a committee of struggle because our friends in Cyprus who are involved with the aerial spraying established such a committee this year and set an example for us and we want this evening to start the process, and the dialogue so that a similar movement can start here in Athens.

Perhaps we should say who we are. My name is Wayne Hall. I live in Aigina. I have been involved with the aerial spraying for 7-8 years. Mr Katsaros will say….

Nikos Katsaros. I am a scientist at the Democritus research centre.

J am Catherine Collin. I am half French and half Brazilian. I live in Athens and I see chemtrails every day, I see spraying every day and I want to get involved more systematically.

WH: This year there have been some developments with the subject. For a start, after the failure in Copenhagen a lot of discussion started generally about something called geoengineering.

And this geoengineering became a subject of discussion and finally of an initiative by a group called the ETC group which founded a movement called “Hands off Mother Earth”. I don’t know if Mr. Katsaros wants to say anything about that initiative because we supported it, concretely. We put on our site an open letter to “Hands off Mother Earth” to make it clear that we support the initiative that was started by the ETC group and the movement called “Hands off Mother Earth”. I don’t know if Mr. Katsaros wants to say anything about that:

Nikos Katsaros: Yes, for a start let’s say a few words about what this chemical aerial spraying is, or these chemtrails, as they are called. Many people throughout the world, and particularly in the NATO countries have observed aircraft, without distinctive markings, leaving white trails which by contrast with ordinary trails do not disappear within a few minutes but instead remain in the sky for a long time and many times spread out, and moreover the aircraft that leave these chemical trails behind them don’t go in straight lines but leave grid patterns or go in zig zags and this has made many people wonder what is going on and what they are spraying us with and although to date no responsible answer has been given, governments have allowed the idea to get around that something is being done for the good of humanity, that it is a means of dealing with the greenhouse phenomenon, in other words global warming or climate change, so in these aircraft trails, in the fuel they put particles of aluminium and barium which, when expelled with the exhaust, reflect the sunlight. Less sunlight reaches the earth, and the temperature falls. So the greenhouse phenomenon is dealt with, using particles of aluminium and barium.

We should note here that both aluminium and barium are toxic substances. However long they remain in the sky at some point they will fall to earth, they will pollute the water-table and from there the food chain and they will not only affect human health but also damage the environment.

WH: Mr. Katsaros….

Nikos Katsaros: This is the reason for our opposition to this spraying – nobody knows exactly what it is, but this is what they have allowed to leak - and no government gives a responsible answer .

WH: Mr. Katsaros do you believe that the objective of the spraying is geoengineering, that it aims, as is implied by certain statements, not official statements, at geoengineering, that the purpose of the spraying is geoengineering?

Nikos Katsaros: To start with geoengineering is a new branch of science which has appeared in the last ten years and is aimed at handling large planetary phenomena. One of those phenomena is climate change. So part of geoengineering involves at the planetary level, dealing with the greenhouse phenomenon. And famous scientists such as Paul Crutzen who received the Nobel Prize for discovering the ozone hole recommended something similar to what is happening with chemtrails, with aerial spraying of chemicals. That is to say he recommended that particles – in this case sulphur – should be lifted up in the atmosphere at a great height. That the sunlight be reflected from them, that less sunlight should reach the earth and the greenhouse phenomenon be deal with in this way.

So geoengineering – which also proposes other solutions – includes that activity which is called aerial spraying or chemtrails and we as action committee are opposed both to the chemical spraying and to geoengineering, because the consequences of planetary experiments of this kind are unknown and they should not be implemented before we are sure that they will not have consequences for the environment, for human health and for the water table.

WH: Catherine do you believe that the spraying is for geoengineering purposes?

Catherine Collin: Perhaps. Perhaps yes, perhaps no. I have been sick because of the spraying in Athens. And my two cats were vomiting when the spraying was very intense. Mr Katsaros is certainly right that the spraying can have very bad consequences for health.

WH: Certain people who don’t believe in climate change – skeptics – think that the spraying is for other purposes. That’s why I’m asking.

Catherine Collin: Yes, climate change is a misleading idea. For as long as we talk about climate change we don’t talk about t the spraying. We remain on the subject of whether there is or is not climate change. Climate change might exist for other reasons apart from human causes. It could be because there was a shift of the Earth’s axis when the comet Phaethon passed. Many comets have come close to the Earth. There has been a shift of the axis, and that may have something to do with it.

WH: My view is that in the situation we are in it doesn’t make much difference whether the purpose of the spraying is - some people say things like this – to kill us or to decrease fertility and so on, or whether the purpose is to prepare the ground for the genetically modified plants of Monsanto that are resistant to aluminium or whether it is to facilitate the operations of HAARP, or whether the purpose is what they say, to reduce the level of sunlight that reaches the earth. The fact is that all these ideas are considered to be conspiracy theories and so are kept outside the permitted boundaries of public discussion. The only thing that is beginning now to be permitted is the subject of geoengineering because – particularly after the failure of the Climate Summit in Copenhagen - governments, and particularly the US government are trying to secure the consent of the public to the idea that geoengineering is acceptable, an acceptable solution to the problem of climate change.

And so this determines the framework of the discussion. The discussion is permitted, and so for that reason we have this discussion.

[Wayne Hall]

Part 2

Would you like to say something?

Nikos Katsaros: Yes, it is to be expected, Wayne, that from the moment that no government says officially why this chemical aerial spraying is taking place, conspiracy scenarios will be generated. And a lot of those conspiracy scenarios mention that after the aerial spraying some people experience headaches, dizziness, discomfort and we have the specific instance a few years ago in a town in Canada, Hispanola, 90 percent of the population of the area, after such aerial spraying, experienced something that seemed like flu and called the Canadian government health service who examined the inhabitants and found that 90 percent of the population were indeed suffering from a strange kind of virus infection but they never told those people where the infection had come from, what the facts were, and what exactly was happening after the chemical spraying.

So the requirement is – and we in our movement insist - that the responsible governments of every country where this chemical spraying has been observed should give a responsible and objective answer on what is happening and if what we say is happening, why it is happening, what purposes it serves, and how we can be protected from such experiments, so geoengineering, which is a broader subject, but includes the chemical spraying, must be dealt with accordingly, because there have been international conferences and geoengineering is now a recognized branch of science which introduces specific measures and planetary experiments to forestall phenomena that concern, that affect, the whole planet.

WH: Mr. Katsaros, you recently went to Cyprus, where you were invited there by some parliamentarians and I believe bya group of citizens - THE group of citizens, the action committee, to be specific,, but perhaps you can describe to us your trip to Cyprus.

Nikos Katsaros: I saw that in Cyprus there is a real democracy. I say that in the sense that in Greece we have been struggling for years to get the Greek parliament to give an official answer to the question of whether this spraying is occurring and why. And so far nobody has given us an official answer. On the contrary they have ignored us, whereas in Cyprus the parliamentary committee for the environment of the Republic of Cyprus was convened and all the parliamentarians of the committee for the environment of the Cypriot parliament were present and at the same time they had summoned senior officials of the Foreign Ministry, the Defence Ministry, the Interior Ministry, the Environment Ministry, the Health Ministry, the Agricultural Development Ministry and senior state officials from the Water Service, the Meteorological Service, the Civil Aviation Authority and a number of other state functionaries and at the same time they had invited a representative of the British base at Akrotiri.

So it was a wide-ranging and very serious discussion on the phenomenon of the aerial spraying, which was convened, I should point out, in response to a position paper delivered by the Citizens’ Initiative against Chemical Aerial Spraying and to the testimonies of the Citizens’ Initiative against Chemical Aerial Spraying a number of responses were given by the relevant functionaries and finally there was unanimous acceptance by the Environment Committee of the Cypriot Parliament of the position paper delivered there that after chemical spraying special planes should be sent up and should collect in special filters and that then there should be analysis and an official answer be given as to what substances are to be found in this chemical spraying, why it is being conducted and if is not being conducted to provide reassurance to the Cypriot people because there is a prevalent anxiety that this aerial spraying is being carried out from the base at Akrotiri, probably, so that it influences many phenomena including various other protests that have made their appearance there.

But the fact is that the Cypriot parliament has shown a responsible stance to this subject, and I believe that they will go forward also with the commitment they have undertaken for experiments to be conducted to show whether something like this is occurring in Cyprus or not and the committee of initiative against chemical spraying will carry out inspections and make use of the media to inform people what is happening with this spraying.

WH: Mr. Katsaros let’s talk a little about the significance of the stance of the Cypriots, because what happened in Cyprus may well be unique. It’s an initiative of the Cyprus Greens, who have a parliamentarian, Mr. Perdikis, who is actively involved with the subject of the spraying. That is something that has no counterpart in any other state in the world, for a Green party to become involved with this specific subject, despite the fact that there have been many appeals from citizens to the Green parties. There was no response. Only in Cyprus, and perhaps, our hope is now that this will act as an example, and it will spread.

We should not forget that three Green parliamentarians in Germany took out a lawsuit against the German government that this chemical spraying is taking place and they have not been informed. So it would be good for the moment, whether it is the movement in Cyprus or the Greek movement here or wherever else such movements are established to pressure their responsible governments so that they give honest and responsible answers to the question of the chemical aerial spraying that hundreds or thousands of people in the world are constantly observing. So too our action committee aims to pressure the Greek government and the responsible functionaries to give a responsible answer. The same, I believe, should happen in other countries, because citizens’ movements exist there too. Many of them, of course, direct questions to their governments. These questions are not answered but the more this demand from the citizens intensifies for their governments to answer, the more urgent it becomes, so that at some point they will be obliged to tell us what is happening. If it is happening for the good of humanity why isn’t it publicized so that all the scientific community, everyone who can, can help solve the problem of the greenhouse effect or climate change as they describe, as they give us to understand.

WH: Let’s talk about a new development which is the moratorium that was passed at the UN international convention on Biological Diversity. This moratorium was a product of the initiatives of the ETC group as we have mentioned. They managed to secure the support of almost all states with the exception of the United States and a few other insignificant instances – essentially all the states of the world support this moratorium, which means now that geoengineering, and specifically what is called Solar Radiation Management , which is the phenomenon that is linked with chemtrails in the popular consciousness, is now illegal, and this development is something that should become known.

It was buried by the media. Few people know about it. But despite that, the moratorium was passed and the question now is: what is our reaction?

We have found out who went from Greece to that Convention and who represented Greece there. And I think that the next step is to speak with these people and to ask them what their opinion is of the reasons that the Greek state signed a moratorium that it is clearly not observing. What do you say to that?

Nikos Katsaros: This is truly a very serious matter because for a start many people who heard from us about the chemical spraying, the chemtrails, either thought that we were ridiculous or that we were dreamers and in many cases we became the butt of ironic remarks. And now we have the United Nations in a conference that took place on biological diversity officially recognizing that there should be a moratorium, in other words a suspension, of geoengineering activities, and specifically a suspension of all activities that are either programmed or are already occurring in the form of chemical spraying for the next five years .

So we have official recognition from the United Nations that such experiments are either taking place or are about to, and because this sows doubt about people’s safety from the chemical spraying, there is a moratorium, that is to say a halt to this activity for the next five years, so it is official recognition and I address myself to all those who thought us marginalized, made us the object of ironic comments, thought us silly people with our heads in the clouds that the United Nations itself acknowledges that this is happening or is programmed to happen and warns that it should not do so.

And this is the other great responsibility of the Greek government and the president of the Environmental Committee of the Greek Parliament, who was present and voted for that moratorium, to tell us specifically whether in Greece this spraying is taking place, if it is planned and what the authorities are planning to do, finally. The authorities, the state must answer this question.

And we, as active citizens, and Catherine also, and you, and all of us, must help, must pressure the government to give an official answer. Given that it VOTED that moratorium what measures it plans to take. We can’t wait any longer.

WH: Mr. Katsaros I was born in Australia and I still have some links with Australia and because of the initiative we are taking I discovered that in Australia too certain chemtrails activists have found the names of the people who went to Nagoya, and they will ask the same e question there.

Catherine, you have lived in many countries. Do you think it is possible for us to ask the same question in many states?

[Wayne Hall]

Catherine Collin: Yes, yes, in France, from where I came, there are people who are anxious about chemtrails, what they see, what they feel. And in Switzerland. And in Brazil.

WH: Of course many people have a suspicious attitude to the moratorium. Particularly the skeptics, and people who are not in love with the UN. They have the view that perhaps the UN is worse than the spraying. Have you seen that phenomenon anywhere?

Catherine Collin: I have read that the UN has a vested interest in having control geoengineering. It wants to have the upper hand, to be in control . The moratorium is just for show, finally.

WH: The ETC group thinks that it is preferable for the UN to have responsibility rather than the United States or the Royal Society in England. The Royal Society has started a relevant discussion in England. Up until now, as the ETC group says, it is more or less an Anglo-Saxon initiative, all the discussion on geoengineering. Because not many other states participate in the discussion on geoengineering and particularly not the poor countries. That’s why the ETC group believes that it is better for control, and discussion on geoengineering to take place in the United Nations.

Nikos Katsaros: I would like to add here that these skeptics who don’t recognize the initiative and this decision of the United Nations to some extent are perhaps justified on that point because there is indeed an article in the United Nations charter that forbids experiments aimed at climate change because they are afraid that probably, in this way, regulating climate change, they will very likely develop the next generation of weapons of mass destruction.

But with this initiative of the United Nations it is at last recognized that nobody has the right to manage the sunlight reaching the earth because this management of solar radiation is aimed at bringing changes to the climate with unknown consequences, or consequences that will benefit only certain individuals, for reasons that are still unknown.

So it is very positive, and everyone from their own viewpoint should support this decision taken by the United Nations and responsible governments, particularly those that signed it, should declare explicitly and categorically what measures they plan to take and also to pressure the governments of the great powers , like the United States to give their reasons why they did not sign and what their purpose is.
WH: As far as the ETC group is concerned, which started the “Hands off Mother Earth” initiative, I believe, and I think all of us believe, that their negative stance towards geoengineering is honest, But not everything they say in relation to geoengineering is honest. For example that the geoengineering programmes have not been put into application on a large scale. Perhaps this lack of frankness on the part of the ETC Group was in a way the tax they had to pay to be more inside the action, more inside the discussions, than we are, for example. But we should not accept direct collaboration or dialogue with them unless they are prepared to give us reassurances that they will stop talking to the media about whether chemtrails exist or don’t exist. That is the subject that preoccupies the media.

It is not a subject that preoccupies us, because we know what we believe. I don’t believe that in reality it preoccupies the ETC group either. But the ETC group operates within a certain system. When journalists come with questions, they have to say something to them. But I think that if they want collaboration, or discussions, with us, they will talk with us, and not with the media. This is perhaps a hard stance, and of course it does not exclude support, because we support them, without qualification. But if it is a matter of collaboration and discussion, we want honesty. I don’t know what you want to say about that. About the ETC group.

Catherine Collin: Yes, we agree completely.

Nikos Katsaros: I would like to add that because many of those who are listening to us don’t know who the ETC group are, that there are – all over the planet – various initiatives, with different views, both in relation to geoengineering and in relation to the specific subject of the aerial spraying. All of them have a common purpose, to publicize the matter, because whether it is being developed or whether it is already in application, this is a positive step, in my view, that there is recognition that such experiments are being planned, or are happening and they must be prevented, so we should applaud the initiative and embrace this initiative of the United Nations, but the most important thing is that we should pressure the governments, particularly those that signed it.
WH: In relation to climate change, many activists against chemtrails are skeptics

Part 4

But you don’t have to be a skeptic in relation to climate change to agree that a bigger problem than climate change are the practices that are being proposed – purportedly as a means of dealing with climate change: geoengineering, nuclear energy, pollution trading, genetic modification of plants, use of plants not as food but as fuel.

All of these phenomena are being justified in terms of dealing with climate change. That is a big problem.

Nikos Katsaros: That is a big problem and certainly behind it there is great power, specifically big international corporations that are trying to gain advantage, in any way possible, publicizing the negative consequences of climate change. I continue to be optimistic that there is time to avert the phenomenon of climate change if an agreement can be achieved among the states of the world, that it should come about through the initiative of the United Nations and that at the same time there should be exposure of those big international corporations who work to exploit the phenomenon of climate change for their own benefit to acquire ever greater profit and we should note that private companies have emerged everywhere on the planet, which promise to cause climate change, that is to say to cause droughts in one area or to bring rain to another area, and even to exploit them for private purposes. So we have to struggle by every means to stop big corporations from exploiting this phenomenon for their own advantage.

It is real, it exists, but some interpret it in their own way , so that the big corporation can derive as much benefit as possible, whether they are Monsanto, whether they are big pharmaceutical companies, they are big companies producing agricultural products.

WH: Well, have we got anything else to add to what we have said?

Yesterday, from what I heard, a meeting was held in Larissa, with many people present and a local committee was formed. And the organizer of that meeting in Larissa says that such initiatives and such meetings will take place elsewhere also. Can we believe that today we are commencing a networking at the national level, and let’s hope that….

Nikos Katsaros: It is something very positive and initiatives will have to be taken by other people in other parts of the country for the purpose of pressuring the responsible government to give responsible answers and at the same time to take concrete measures and inform the Greek people of them.

WH: Well, the initiative is in your hands now.

[Wayne Hall]

A new statement from the ETC group, within the familiar framework of the "limited hangout":

www.etcgroup.org/en/node/5277

[Wayne Hall]

REPUBLIC OF CYPRUS
Ministry of Agriculture, Natural Resources and Environment


Office of the Minister

File number : 4.03.038

13th July, 2011-09-15


Mr. Yiannakis Omirou
President
House of Representatives


Question No. 23.06.009.05.01. dated 7th April 2011 from the parliamentarian of the Nicosia electorate Mr. Giorgios Perdikis


Dear Mr. President,

I refer to the letter to the Director General of the House of Representatives dated 18.4.2011 in relation to the question from the parliamentarian Mr. Perdikis and I inform you of the following :

At the 10th session of the Conference of Parties to the Convention on Biological Diversity (COP10) which took place in October 2010 in Nagoya, Japan, important decisions were taken in relation to protection of biological diversity and the establishment of new goals for the coming decade.

Resolution X/33, which was agreed in the course of the abovementioned session, promotes implementation of the precautionary principle in relation to geoengineering and specifically methods that have been developed for the purposes of mitigation of climate change. In the Resolution it is mentioned that in the absence of effective regulation of geoengineering mechanisms, no geoengineering activity aimed at mitigating climate change, and which could have consequences for biological diversity, should be implemented, at least until an adequate scientific basis has been elaborated that might justify such activities.

As regards the concerns that have been expressed concerning the possible implementation of chemical aerial spraying in the airspace of Cyprus, a decision has been taken for investigation of this question by the competent authorities.

Taking this opportunity to convey to you my best wishes,

Sincerely,

Dimitris Iliadis
Minister

cc. Director of the Environmental Department
Director of the Forestry Department