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Post by Wayne Hall on Sept 3, 2017 3:56:20 GMT -5
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Post by Dylan on Sept 3, 2017 15:24:51 GMT -5
I`ve been following Hurricane Harvey and the speculations around it, including Dane`s.
He makes some interesting points. The first being that there has, up until now, been a "hurricane drought" on the US continent for the past 12 years. This has been used by climate skeptics to claim that global warming has no effect on hurricane frequency. However, this ignores the reality of hurricane modification. It is my contention that hurricanes have been steered away from the continent and sent up the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans towards the Arctic. This is borne out by the evidence which shows that there has been a 40% increase in North Atlantic Tropical Storms since the 90`s. This serves the purpose of increasing cloud cover over the Arctic which assists in melting the ice and the increase in winds also serves to break up the ice that remains.
In this case another purpose has been served by directing this hurricane over the Texas coast and causing all this flood damage. Before we look at the possible reasons for this we should first establish how it was accomplished.
In Dane's video around at 47 – 100s we can see the transmission of microwave energy from the Nexrad station to the south of Hurricane Harvey has created its own plasma vortex by exciting the electrons in the air around it accelerating condensation. This condensation releases latent heat which lifts the air creating a low-pressure system that rotates anti-clockwise.
The hurricane itself to the north is also rotating anti-clockwise. Like two cog wheels that don`t mesh, this contributes to Harvey being herded in the desired direction. To the SE of the Nexrad station the energy also augments the bursts of artificial water vapour generated in that region into clouds which feed and are drawn into the tail end of the hurricane.
At 103s onwards the microwave transmission sources from the Nexrad station near Brownsville, Texas to the NW of Harvey also set up an anti-clockwise vortex. This also does not mesh with Harvey and prevents it moving further NW.
Had the Rf transmitters been switched on when the hurricane was directly over them they would have enhanced the storm. They don`t disrupt storms unless they overdo it and cause the augmented clouds to rain out.
Dane seems to believe that Rf transmissions disrupt storm activity. The reverse is the case. These beams will not generate high pressure but the very opposite, low pressure systems. Think about it, heat (infrared waves) causes air to rise, low pressure systems form as a result as cooler air winds in (anticlockwise in the Northern hemisphere). This is how convection works in nature, why should it be any different for weather mod? It isn`t. Also, the transmitters are not powerful enough to heat the air with sensible heat. They would simply fry anything in their path if that were the case. They release latent heat by exciting the electrons in the air until an avalanche takes place. The electrons accelerate cloud condensation which releases latent heat, the fuel for storms. It is far more subtle, like using a key to open a door rather than a sledgehammer. This process is enhanced by the dispersal of aerosol particulates.
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Post by Dylan on Sept 5, 2017 6:28:50 GMT -5
It is evident from the development of the hurricane that, far from being disrupted it was brewed to monster proportions in the gulf.
It was also reinvigorated over the land for maximum flood damage.
Hurricane Harvey Origin: Targeting Texas
Hurricane Harvey: Rockport Landfall & Houston Flood
Hurricane Harvey: Refuelled Three Times = 50 Inches
Hurricane Harvey: Beaumont Flood - Death Toll Rises
George Monbiot in his article sums up the insufficient mainstream view as to why the hurricane intensified before it reached land and also after it had done so. "Before it reached the Gulf of Mexico, Harvey had been demoted from a tropical storm to a tropical wave. But as it reached the Gulf, where temperatures this month have been far above average, it was upgraded first to a tropical depression, then to a category one hurricane. It might have been expected to weaken as it approached the coast, as hurricanes churn the sea, bringing cooler waters to the surface. But the water it brought up from 100 metres and more was also unusually warm. By the time it reached land, Harvey had intensified to a category four hurricane."
Yes, the temperatures of the gulf were far above average, but so were the temperatures of the tropical oceans in the zones closer to the equator where hurricanes are formed. Hurricanes lose strength as they move north unless they are artificially augmented. This storm was a gaggle of clouds before it reached the gulf, which is cooler than the tropical waters (warmer than the gulf" where it originated. This means that warmer waters alone cannot account for the behaviour of this storm.
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Post by Wayne Hall on Sept 5, 2017 9:19:30 GMT -5
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Post by Wayne Hall on Sept 5, 2017 12:23:47 GMT -5
Don't you think George Monbiot deserves stronger exposure than you are giving him here, given that he has the perennial habit of danger-mongering combined with systematic censorship of every thought that the dangerous phenomena he mentions are the result not (or at a minimum not only) of climate change, but of climate manipulation?
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Post by Wayne Hall on Sept 5, 2017 22:03:42 GMT -5
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Post by Dylan on Sept 6, 2017 4:52:58 GMT -5
"Don't you think George Monbiot deserves stronger exposure than you are giving him here, given that he has the perennial habit of danger-mongering combined with systematic censorship of every thought that the dangerous phenomena he mentions are the result not (or at a minimum not only) of climate change, but of climate manipulation?"
I think the anti-geoengineering activists themselves need to get their house in order first.
Harvey has resurrected the bitter dispute between Dane Wigington and Weather War 101 over the question of the role of cooling towers in Weather Modification.
Cooling Towers, Climate Engineering & Hurricane Harvey, Is There A Connection?
Cooling Towers, Climate Engineering & Hurricane Harvey, Is There A Connection? www.geoengineeringwatch.org/cooling-towers-climate-engineering-is-there-a-connection/
Fallacious arguments are being made by both sides but it seems they have each argued themselves into a corner.
I posted this on Dane`s article addressing one of Dane`s arguments.
"I'm afraid Dane that you misunderstand evaporation, precipitation and humidity. First of all, evaporation is the fuel for any storm as you yourself state and so contradict yourself when you claim that it can`t occur at the same time as precipitation under a hurricane. A relative humidity of 100% does not even mean that evaporation is not occurring. It simply means that the amount of evaporation has reached an equilibrium with the amount of precipitation. Most importantly, relative humidity under hurricanes is usually 60 to 70%, 80% under extremely powerful ones like Patricia but certainly not 100%.
Next, relative humidity goes down the higher the temperature because the air can hold more water vapour.
Also, aerosols, both natural and artificial, reduce humidity when the water vapour condenses around them in the process of condensation which releases latent heat. When the hot air rises as a result of this, the cool air winds in to replace it – convection. Finally, this increases the wind speed, which again, increases evaporation and reduces relative humidity.
It`s a self-feeding latent heat machine but it can be enhanced or disrupted by man."
I posted it a couple of days ago but it is still waiting moderation. Other posts made later have gone through. Interesting.
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Post by Wayne Hall on Sept 6, 2017 6:40:58 GMT -5
Well, I want you to win your battle with Dane, but as far as I am concerned he is not the main enemy.
If you have made the choice of focusing your critique on this internal question let's see if we can also find participants who want to engage with more powerful antagonists than Dane.
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Post by Dylan on Sept 6, 2017 16:04:07 GMT -5
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Post by Wayne Hall on Sept 8, 2017 5:25:47 GMT -5
www.defenddemocracy.press/climate-denialism-is-literally-killing-us/
Something has to be done about this level of criminal disinformation. Are Trump and company capable of dealing with it? They are on the defensive. All they say is that it is time to think about the sufferings of the victims, not to make politics. They are not going to expose the disinformation behind the accusations being levelled against them. I suppose they have done enough disinforming themselves. They are unable to be straight.
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Post by Dylan on Sept 12, 2017 4:28:51 GMT -5
First we need to outline what the criminal disinformation actually is and then convince people.
What in your view is the criminal disinformation here rather than simply ignorance of the cause of climate change? Because certainly a warming world is going to intensify hurricanes. And we do indeed live in a warming world.
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Post by Wayne Hall on Sept 12, 2017 11:30:17 GMT -5
I do not believe that people like Monbiot are ignorant. They have been around for too long and been involved in too many exchanges with "chemtrails" activists.
Admittedly the reactive mode that many or even most or all of those activists are in is not effective in politically neutralizing the many Monbiots and Monbiot equivalents who are on the scene. This is why I have concluded that one is obliged to link with sections of the general public who are coming out against SYMPTOMS of the game of deceit being played around climate, such as the urge for exclusive reliance on existing forms of "renewable" energy, in corporate packaging and totally dependent on state subsidies. Then we can come in as potential problem solvers rather than petitioners of politicians who are themselves expected to be the problem solvers.
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