Post by Wayne Hall on May 25, 2005 15:11:32 GMT -5
This is the first news posting sent out for a couple of months. The main focus here in Athens has been the public function on "global dimming" that OI-KI-A has planned for June. We'll report on it after it has taken place.
1. Here is a translation of part of the document we have for distribution following a 'Global Dimming' discussion: "If it turns out that 'the international community' is working actively to mitigate the consequences of climate change, whether through rational or seemingly insane methods, this indicates that the government of the United States is not 'on hold' as far as its climate change policy is concerned. Its 'climate change scepticism' is purely verbal and unrelated to actual policy. 'Climate change scepticism' is promoted politically as a model of moralising ignorance for the man in the street.
We must see to it that discussion at the social forums is not conducted on the basis of a mass media 'problematic' of this kind.
2. "Open Democracy" recently ran a special 'self-criticism' issue on climate change. It is worth checking out.
www.opendemocracy.net/climate_change/
3. We have started a new information and discussion forum at halva.proboards46.com, supplementing and replacing groups.yahoo.com/group/Ama_lahi All subsequent news postings will be put up at the new forum as well as the old. Both forums are closed so that you have to become a member to read as well as to post. This policy unfortunately has been made necessary by the aggressive debunker habit of responding (at forums to which they have access) to information they read elsewhere.
4. As for the debate we had started with Dr. David Travis, with Deborah taking the lead, I judged that it was probably best to lay off for the time being, because I could see that we were headed for an argument. It seems more to the point at this moment to focus on areas where we are likely to be in agreement. Deborah had said that she didn't have any further comment and I thought it might be a better idea to open a new front. What about global dimming and solar energy??
Posted below is an internet exchange from late last year that was put up at 'Megasprayer'. It would be good if not only David Travis but some of the other scientists from David Sington's BBC Horizon 'Global Dimming' documentary who have answered our e-mails could give us the benefit of their expertise on this subject.
From "Megasprayer":
chem11.proboards2.com/index....67108&start=105
Halva: Wouldn't it be worthwhile sounding out some of the renewable energy, and particularly solar energy, people, to see what their attitude is to 'climate mitigation' strategies that result in reduced levels of sunlight?
Here is the result of one such sounding-out:
Quote:
W.H: I was wondering whether you see 'global dimming' as a potential threat to the prospects for solar energy and whether more publicity to the questions both of global dimming and of geoengineering for climate mitigation could help increase public support for reduction of dependence on fossil fuels.
Answer: I don't believe that the light spectrum of which solar is most responsive is the part of the light spectrum that is being dimmed according to the information I have read from you and elsewhere - so the answer to your first question is "no" it won't impact use of solar. But such dimming will assuredly create global awareness by the general public and policymakers, which would likely acccelerate policies that promote energy efficiency and renewable energy.
Response from Chem 11
Quote:
I don't believe that the light spectrum of which solar is most responsive is the part of the light spectrum that is being dimmed according to the information I have read from you and elsewhere.
Chem 11: Well, he or she is mistaken in this belief. Someone actually already had the idea to contact a bunch of solar energy equipment suppliers and users a while back, and they were almost unanimous in expressing their concern and displeasure over how this explosion of artificial cloud coverage was reducing efficiency.
I was surprised to see the level of awareness that exists in the industry, but of course it's one that is being directly and adversely affected. I think the discussion existed over at Carnicom's board, but it was a while back and may very well no longer exist.
Here's the link: p211.ezboard.com/fchemtrails...ID=7654.top ic
Continuing from Carnicom's board: (see below)
Solar Energy and Aviation Clouds
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The following letter was e-mailed it to 24 different solar energy dealers:
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Subject : Solar Power and Aviation Clouds
My home is solar powered. For several years I have noticed how the sky is being whited-out, almost on a daily basis, by aviation traffic. This problem is becoming worse and exists everywhere in the USA (and world I'm told). I suspect that this is a concern of yours considering the business you are in..
I am looking for groups of people or organizations that are serious about addressing this problem. So far, all I have found are conspiracy theorists or those (such as my senators and representative) that claim nothing is wrong or different about the sky. Any direction you can provide me will be greatly appreciated.
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Replies so far:
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Decreasing air quality is becoming a major problem nowadays, and it's no longer limited to our cities. I am happy to hear that you're doing your part to keep the air clean by using solar power. In addition to the evident and well-documented visibility and health problems caused by poor air quality, solar power production is also affected . While the effect on solar power production currently is marginal in most cases, it is gradually becoming a greater concern. Unfortunately I cannot say I'm an authority on who would be able to address these concerns. However, I would recommend three possibilities for your consideration: Talk to your senator, representative, or other local government officials and the local air quality control district. Get involved with the Environmental Defense Network - www.environmentaldefense.org Contact the Union of Concerned Scientists - www.ucsusa.org Hope this helps. We're with you all the way.
Discount Solar
solarpanels.hypermart.net/
**********************************************
These are chemtrails. The skies are being sprayed with chemicals to make the American people sick. Go to www.rense.com/politics6/c...apage.html For info on these and other things our government and the New World Order people are up to go to www.stevequayle.com/, infowars.com/, www.prisonplanet.com You can listen to Steve Quayle and Alex Jones on the internet. These websites also have links to other similar sites. I have known about these chemtrails for years.
Check out this site, www.intel123.com/chemtrails/
Solar Cell
www.solarcell.net/
**********************************************
We have noticed the same thing, our tech center in eastern Tennessee is run off of solar. The only thing I can do to give you some direction is NASA was given a grant of some $85 million several years ago to study the effects of jet trails on sun light intensity. $85Mil seems like a awful lot of money to study and answer the simple question. You can look and see if anything has been released on the study so far, but I can't help you on where to look. If you do find anything, we would like to know.
National Solar Supply
www.nationalsolarsupply.com
**********************************************
We are a relatively new company to the Solar industry and are still focusing on our own product. Perhaps organizations like www.solarbuzz.com or www.solaraccess.com or www.sandia.gov/pv have begun to address the issue you raise.
Solartrax
www.solartrax.com
**********************************************
I've read these two articles (below) on the subject. I have noticed that these artificial clouds are getting more abundant.
www.unknowncountry.com/news
www-pm.larc.nasa.gov/sass...AMS.02.pdf
Big Frog Mountain
www.bigfrogmountain.com/
**********************************************
I have never heard of such a problem. Because of the massive amount of solar energy reaching the earth, I am not concerned about white out for power production. However I would be concerned about health consequences. Keep us in the loop.
Affordable Solar
www.affordable-solar.com
**********************************************
1. Here is a translation of part of the document we have for distribution following a 'Global Dimming' discussion: "If it turns out that 'the international community' is working actively to mitigate the consequences of climate change, whether through rational or seemingly insane methods, this indicates that the government of the United States is not 'on hold' as far as its climate change policy is concerned. Its 'climate change scepticism' is purely verbal and unrelated to actual policy. 'Climate change scepticism' is promoted politically as a model of moralising ignorance for the man in the street.
We must see to it that discussion at the social forums is not conducted on the basis of a mass media 'problematic' of this kind.
2. "Open Democracy" recently ran a special 'self-criticism' issue on climate change. It is worth checking out.
www.opendemocracy.net/climate_change/
3. We have started a new information and discussion forum at halva.proboards46.com, supplementing and replacing groups.yahoo.com/group/Ama_lahi All subsequent news postings will be put up at the new forum as well as the old. Both forums are closed so that you have to become a member to read as well as to post. This policy unfortunately has been made necessary by the aggressive debunker habit of responding (at forums to which they have access) to information they read elsewhere.
4. As for the debate we had started with Dr. David Travis, with Deborah taking the lead, I judged that it was probably best to lay off for the time being, because I could see that we were headed for an argument. It seems more to the point at this moment to focus on areas where we are likely to be in agreement. Deborah had said that she didn't have any further comment and I thought it might be a better idea to open a new front. What about global dimming and solar energy??
Posted below is an internet exchange from late last year that was put up at 'Megasprayer'. It would be good if not only David Travis but some of the other scientists from David Sington's BBC Horizon 'Global Dimming' documentary who have answered our e-mails could give us the benefit of their expertise on this subject.
From "Megasprayer":
chem11.proboards2.com/index....67108&start=105
Halva: Wouldn't it be worthwhile sounding out some of the renewable energy, and particularly solar energy, people, to see what their attitude is to 'climate mitigation' strategies that result in reduced levels of sunlight?
Here is the result of one such sounding-out:
Quote:
W.H: I was wondering whether you see 'global dimming' as a potential threat to the prospects for solar energy and whether more publicity to the questions both of global dimming and of geoengineering for climate mitigation could help increase public support for reduction of dependence on fossil fuels.
Answer: I don't believe that the light spectrum of which solar is most responsive is the part of the light spectrum that is being dimmed according to the information I have read from you and elsewhere - so the answer to your first question is "no" it won't impact use of solar. But such dimming will assuredly create global awareness by the general public and policymakers, which would likely acccelerate policies that promote energy efficiency and renewable energy.
Response from Chem 11
Quote:
I don't believe that the light spectrum of which solar is most responsive is the part of the light spectrum that is being dimmed according to the information I have read from you and elsewhere.
Chem 11: Well, he or she is mistaken in this belief. Someone actually already had the idea to contact a bunch of solar energy equipment suppliers and users a while back, and they were almost unanimous in expressing their concern and displeasure over how this explosion of artificial cloud coverage was reducing efficiency.
I was surprised to see the level of awareness that exists in the industry, but of course it's one that is being directly and adversely affected. I think the discussion existed over at Carnicom's board, but it was a while back and may very well no longer exist.
Here's the link: p211.ezboard.com/fchemtrails...ID=7654.top ic
Continuing from Carnicom's board: (see below)
Solar Energy and Aviation Clouds
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The following letter was e-mailed it to 24 different solar energy dealers:
------------------------------
Subject : Solar Power and Aviation Clouds
My home is solar powered. For several years I have noticed how the sky is being whited-out, almost on a daily basis, by aviation traffic. This problem is becoming worse and exists everywhere in the USA (and world I'm told). I suspect that this is a concern of yours considering the business you are in..
I am looking for groups of people or organizations that are serious about addressing this problem. So far, all I have found are conspiracy theorists or those (such as my senators and representative) that claim nothing is wrong or different about the sky. Any direction you can provide me will be greatly appreciated.
------------------------------
Replies so far:
**********************************************
Decreasing air quality is becoming a major problem nowadays, and it's no longer limited to our cities. I am happy to hear that you're doing your part to keep the air clean by using solar power. In addition to the evident and well-documented visibility and health problems caused by poor air quality, solar power production is also affected . While the effect on solar power production currently is marginal in most cases, it is gradually becoming a greater concern. Unfortunately I cannot say I'm an authority on who would be able to address these concerns. However, I would recommend three possibilities for your consideration: Talk to your senator, representative, or other local government officials and the local air quality control district. Get involved with the Environmental Defense Network - www.environmentaldefense.org Contact the Union of Concerned Scientists - www.ucsusa.org Hope this helps. We're with you all the way.
Discount Solar
solarpanels.hypermart.net/
**********************************************
These are chemtrails. The skies are being sprayed with chemicals to make the American people sick. Go to www.rense.com/politics6/c...apage.html For info on these and other things our government and the New World Order people are up to go to www.stevequayle.com/, infowars.com/, www.prisonplanet.com You can listen to Steve Quayle and Alex Jones on the internet. These websites also have links to other similar sites. I have known about these chemtrails for years.
Check out this site, www.intel123.com/chemtrails/
Solar Cell
www.solarcell.net/
**********************************************
We have noticed the same thing, our tech center in eastern Tennessee is run off of solar. The only thing I can do to give you some direction is NASA was given a grant of some $85 million several years ago to study the effects of jet trails on sun light intensity. $85Mil seems like a awful lot of money to study and answer the simple question. You can look and see if anything has been released on the study so far, but I can't help you on where to look. If you do find anything, we would like to know.
National Solar Supply
www.nationalsolarsupply.com
**********************************************
We are a relatively new company to the Solar industry and are still focusing on our own product. Perhaps organizations like www.solarbuzz.com or www.solaraccess.com or www.sandia.gov/pv have begun to address the issue you raise.
Solartrax
www.solartrax.com
**********************************************
I've read these two articles (below) on the subject. I have noticed that these artificial clouds are getting more abundant.
www.unknowncountry.com/news
www-pm.larc.nasa.gov/sass...AMS.02.pdf
Big Frog Mountain
www.bigfrogmountain.com/
**********************************************
I have never heard of such a problem. Because of the massive amount of solar energy reaching the earth, I am not concerned about white out for power production. However I would be concerned about health consequences. Keep us in the loop.
Affordable Solar
www.affordable-solar.com
**********************************************